Changing Covid testing requirements

[DandyDon]

I don't mind being the only one for a lot of things and I have definitely enjoyed living in a more relaxed area.

I have enjoyed not having a cold or flu during the safety period. I am staying masked!

 

[waterone]

I have enjoyed not having a cold or flu during the safety period. I am staying masked!

Thats nice and I hope it continues for you.

I got sick with covid even when I masked, washed my hands insanely often and sanitized everything.

 

[cvchief]

We just got back. The masking in public was pretty low, local or tourist. I could count on one hand the masks in Fonatur. The restaurant are still mainly doing the mask, temp, etc thing. Poor guy at money bar was taking a beating from tourists without masks. Seemed to be a number of eastern European guys without masks in their possession.

 

[Robert H. Diver]

It's still the unvaxed that cause the most problems.

Wrong. Stop virtue signaling. Vaxxed people spread it just as much as non vaxxed. Like he said, 79% of omicron cases are vaxxed people.

 

[cvchief]

Wrong. Stop virtue signaling. Vaxxed people spread it just as much as non vaxxed. Like he said, 79% of omicron cases are vaxxed people.

I don't think that is completely accurate and misses the nuance. I realize we all want to say this either works or doesn't, but science never give us simple answers. And we are all tired of the details. We just want simple truths.

I believe the science is first that there is some question on the durability of protection in that it wanes. I read scientist postulating that the first to vax shots might be too close together to keep protection from waning, but it again was a toss up between protecting people more quickly vs more durably. Fascinating really.

Interesting that the 'new' omicron version taking over seems to be more contagious, but vaccinated people, while possibly infected, are having a harder time producing enough virus to spread it very well. They spread it a lesser rate than the vaxxed and even less when boosted. Even though oddly enough the vaccinated are catching it at higher rates. Or so the Danes say...

But of course we all want simple, easy answers. We hit a BIG milestone in COVID as far I am concerned. Alcohol was back on Southwest on our trip to and from Coz last week. That's my simple truth.....

 

[DandyDon]

Stop virtue signaling.

It seems that currently the vaccinated public also have high transmission rates.

"Currently?" As in the December 10 article with the click-bait headline and biased article which includes dubious claims like "the majority of Americans" but was based on a preliminary study "[43] cases of COVID-19 attributed to the Omicron variant, 34 (79%) occurred in persons who completed the primary series of an FDA-authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccine." Otherwise known as FAKE NEWS.

Want to know what the CDC says after further study? Nah, that wouldn't support your weak POV.

Vaxxed people spread it just as much as non vaxxed.

Nope. Untrue. Just nope. Are you trying to justify not being vaxxed? Getting jabbed does help slow herd transmission so the unvaxxed are contributing to the problem, not the solution. If you are one of those, just boo!

The CDC says "Because vaccines are not 100% effective, as the number of people who are fully vaccinated goes up, the number of vaccine breakthrough infections will also increase. However, the risk of infection remains much higher for unvaccinated than vaccinated people."

And "COVID 19-vaccines are effective and can lower your risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. COVID-19 vaccines also help prevent serious illness and death in children and adults even if they do get COVID-19."

So many want to pretend that they know more than the CDC. It may take ten or twenty years to really understand what all was in play, they're still learning from permafrost corpses about the 1918 flu pandemic, but the CDC is doing the best possible to protect us from the virus and POV warriors who find their suggestions inconvenient.

• The vaccines do help overall in slowing transmissions as well as preventing deaths even in Breakthru infections.
• The unvaxed get it and spread it more than the vaxed.

Those are facts even if you won't accept them. Oh and...

• Speed kills.
• Automatic daytime running lights prevents wrecks.
• Seat belts save lives.

 

[tursiops]

Wrong. Stop virtue signaling. Vaxxed people spread it just as much as non vaxxed. Like he said, 79% of omicron cases are vaxxed people.

You apparently have not read other posts in this thread. 79% is an old, discredited number, and kind of meaningless anyway since there are more vaxxed people than unvaxxed.

 

[waterone]

Alcohol was back on Southwest on our trip to and from Coz last week. That's my simple truth.....

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That is bizarre that it wasn't available! On all my flights it was always there when I requested it. On my last flight to Cozumel I realized that United gives one free beer to start your trip.

"Currently?"

If you look at the statistics, you will see that there seems to be a high transmission rate in the vaccinated as well.

As in the December 10 article

I have addressed this multiple times, not sure why we are rehashing this again. The point was exactly what you quoted.

Please note the use of the word "also".

waterone:
It seems that currently the vaccinated public also have high transmission rates.

This holds true today just as it did in December.

with the click-bait headline and biased article which includes dubious claims like "the majority of Americans" but was based on a preliminary study "[43] cases of COVID-19 attributed to the Omicron variant, 34 (79%) occurred in persons who completed the primary series of an FDA-authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccine." Otherwise known as FAKE NEWS.

While it was indeed an early study, however percent wise it seems to have held up very well.

Want to know what the CDC says after further study? Nah, that wouldn't support your weak POV.

It's not a weak POV, and maybe if you go back and reread what I posted it will make more sense. I read most of the studies released as I have a family and it is important to me to stay up to date as I can.

CDC expects that anyone with Omicron infection can spread the virus to others, even if they are vaccinated or don't have symptoms.

Nope. Just nope. Are you trying to justify not being vaxxed? Getting jabbed does help slow herd transmission so the unvaxxed are contributing to the problem, not the solution. If you are one of those, just boo!

Give it some more time and everyone will be vaxxed whether they get a jab or not. Good thing is that more studies are coming out that are pointing to longer lasting protection for those who caught the virus.

The CDC says "Because vaccines are not 100% effective, as the number of people who are fully vaccinated goes up, the number of vaccine breakthrough infections will also increase. However, the risk of infection remains much higher for unvaccinated than vaccinated people."

There is a new study out that points to higher infection rates among the vaccinated for the latest variant. However, it is preliminary, so give it time it very well might change and is why it is important to keep up on information.

BA.2 is more contagious than the original BA.1 strain among both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, but the relative increase in susceptibility to infection was significantly greater in vaccinated individuals than unvaccinated individuals. That indicates the subvariant is even better at escaping vaccine protection than BA.1, which was already significantly more contagious than any other Covid variant, according to the study.

Those are the facts even if you won't accept them.

I had to convince my 87-year-old dad to get it, I wouldn't have done it I didn't think it would be beneficial. I was also able to get my mother to get the shots as well. However, both still seem to have caught covid (not from me).

What seems to be a fact is that a lot of data has not been released, and I often wonder why.

Please realize that I am in no way trying to attack your POV in any way, shape or form. If you enjoy wearing a mask for an indefinite amount of time and you want to get any number of shots, that is wonderful

I am going diving to work on my breathing...its my yoga. Hope that you enjoy the day!

 

[scrane]

I have enjoyed not having a cold or flu during the safety period. I am staying masked!

No Kidding!

 

[scrane]

What is most unsettling to me is to think what will happen in America when we experience a more serious crisis. It seems half the country has completely abandoned prudence and common sense. Any adjustment we make to confront changing situations is looked upon as an attack on our liberties. Maybe Patrick Henry was correct in a way he never intended.