Article on Death In Ginnie Springs

[Ayisha]

When there is an accident involving injury or fatality (road-accidents come to mind), it is the Police responsibility and obligation in all countries I have been to arrive promptly at the scene and investigate in accordance to exact procedures.

Same with diving accidents in many countries I have visited. In some, it is clearly stated in the legislation that a body recovery in a diving accident can only be effected by the Police (a rescue is different insofar if the buddy is not dead in some countries you actually do have the legal obligation as a buddy to effect rescue).

When the Police does the body recovery they have to follow precise investigative procedures.

Some localities are behind and are not organised to handle diving accidents, and the lesson to be learned here is that this locality should get itself up to speed and specs. with the rest of the world.

There was no body recovery. Carlos died in the hospital.

Congratulations, you managed to derail another thread into off-topic bickering about body recovery procedures, global differences in standards and practices, and litigation.

 

[gianaameri]

There was no body recovery. Carlos died in the hospital.

Congratulations, you managed to derail another thread into off-topic bickering about body recovery procedures, global differences in standards and practices, and litigation.

That was an example of "procedure" to be followed after a diving accident.

NO PROPER POLICE PROCEDURE IS IN PLACE FOR THIS LOCALITY (for diving incidents) - at least based on the analysis of this incident (so I read on the newspaper too).

R we back on topic?

 

[FinnMom]

As far as authorities being more involved in Europe, I have to admit that at least in Finland the authorities do always want to secure a diving accident victim's gear and inspect/test/catalog it themselves, officially. It's just a matter of doing what can be done to discover the facts, for whoever might need them whether for legal proceedings, insurance purposes or just family wishing to discover all that can be learned about what happened and how/why. This more rigorous investigation seems like an obviously good idea, and I suspect its being done here and not in the USA (unless foul play is suspected) may have more to do with less constrained budgets than with personal freedom. The Finnish Federation of Divers will often publish a public report when there has been a fatal accident. This is a useful service and I hope my membership fees and/or taxes help support services like this.

This kind of official inquiry might have been helpful in this incident (the thread's) because then it would be more difficult for someone to question the veracity/accuracy of the gas analysis.
Then again, someone who really, really loves his own opinions usually will not be dissuaded by the facts.

 

[Akimbo]

My understanding (maybe I'm wrong) is that the purpose of a police investigation is to determine who's to blame, not to determine the ultimate root cause of an accident....

Probably more accurately is has a crime been committed and if so who is to blame. Sort of “not my job” for the police once it is deemed accidental.

The torch may get passed to a safety organization like OSHA in the US when it is determined to be an accident in a commercial setting. In the US, the Coast Guard gets heavily involved often before the police, especially when the death happens off an inspected vessel. Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like it is anyone’s job assignment to determine root causes of recreational diving accidents.

 

[rhwestfall]

 

[gianaameri]

As far as authorities being more involved in Europe, I have to admit that at least in Finland the authorities do always want to secure a diving accident victim's gear and inspect/test/catalog it themselves, officially. It's just a matter of doing what can be done to discover the facts, for whoever might need them whether for legal proceedings, insurance purposes or just family wishing to discover all that can be learned about what happened and how/why. This more rigorous investigation seems like an obviously good idea, and I suspect its being done here and not in the USA (unless foul play is suspected) may have more to do with less constrained budgets than with personal freedom.

This kind of official inquiry might have been helpful in this incident (the thread's) because then it would be more difficult for someone to question the veracity/accuracy of the gas analysis.
Then again, someone who really, really loves his own opinions usually will not be dissuaded by the facts.

We do pay tax for that and the Police gets wages and uniform and proper training (and eventually this also leads to prosecution and conviction of dodgy dive equipment manufacturer with the help of the Insurer lawyer and funds).

Having said that, here I have no doubt it was user/team error.

 

[boulderjohn]

That was an example of "procedure" to be followed after a diving accident.

NO PROPER POLICE PROCEDURE IS IN PLACE FOR THIS LOCALITY (for diving incidents) - at least based on the analysis of this incident (so I read on the newspaper too).

R we back on topic?

I am just baffled by this. There is a proper procedure in place, and it was followed. I don't know how else to tell you. It is the procedure followed with every incident in the area. You may not like the procedure, but it is a procedure, and it was followed.

Is there a language I can put that in that will be more helpful to you? English is clearly not working.

 

[Storker]

Is there a language I can put that in that will be more helpful to you? English is clearly not working.

Klingon?


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[kr2y5]

I am just baffled by this. There is a proper procedure in place, and it was followed. I don't know how else to tell you. It is the procedure followed with every incident in the area. You may not like the procedure, but it is a procedure, and it was followed. Is there a language I can put that in that will be more helpful to you? English is clearly not working.

The misunderstanding seems to be around what constitutes a "proper" procedure... you and guanaameri clearly disagree on what that means. I think you are implying in this post that being established makes it proper, he seems to question that.

 

[Keith.M]

We do pay tax for that and the Police gets wages and uniform and proper training (and eventually this also leads to prosecution and conviction of dodgy dive equipment manufacturer with the help of the Insurer lawyer and funds).

Having said that, here I have no doubt it was user/team error.

Wait, after all this and 186 posts, you have no doubt that it was user/team error?

What was the point?