Are you armed?

Are you an armed diver?

  • Yes, armed and dangerous

    Votes: 227 60.4%
  • No, but I believe others have this right

    Votes: 40 10.6%
  • NO, all weapons should be seized by governments

    Votes: 25 6.6%
  • None of your darned business

    Votes: 41 10.9%
  • Guess, you might just make my day

    Votes: 22 5.9%
  • Shhh...Big Brother is watching!

    Votes: 43 11.4%

  • Total voters
    376

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Jim, it's incremental, the sad thing is that's it's always a fight. People who propose gun control or other limits usually ask for compromise. Well, they have NOTHING to compromise, it's the gun owner who is always doing the compromising. Anti gun people will try ( and are doing it ) make gun ownership as inconvenient and expensive as possible. It's sad, really.

As as side note, my kids get a little upset with me when we watch a scary movie. I shout out "shoot him, shoot him!" when the bad guy is ready to cut someone up or otherwise do the innocent some harm. With proper application of a .45 to the bad guy, there would be no movie. LOL
 
FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control
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Splatter movies is no fun if the innocent people kill all the badguys the first 5 minutes.. Whats supposed to me the rest of the movie? "Repopulating"? That would pose some issues with airtime I think :p
 
You and Jim are gun nuts!
:wink:

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control
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The problem with trying to compromise over the gun control issue is always going to come down to two things:

First, as Randy is saying it has to be the gun owners who do the compromising, as the other side has nothing truly to offer as compromise.

Second, this issue is what I call a "ratchet system" issue, in that once a compromise or accomodation has been made it will never be given back. "Click". Next time the issue of crime or safety comes up, it's "click" , another step/compromise, then sometime later, "click" ........ "click" ........ "click" ...compromise and accomodation always moving in the one direction only, never returning ground given up before.
 
No, but I believe some others have this right.

I survived living in Detroit for a year and living 1 block off east Colfax for 30 years without a gun so I figure I don't need one myself, but non-psychotic people with clear background checks I think are fine to have em :wink:
 
Well, I also say, there should be no compromise, after all, people who want gun control are out gunned. Anyway, I love your points Dave.
 
Jim, it's incremental, the sad thing is that's it's always a fight. People who propose gun control or other limits usually ask for compromise. Well, they have NOTHING to compromise, it's the gun owner who is always doing the compromising. Anti gun people will try ( and are doing it ) make gun ownership as inconvenient and expensive as possible. It's sad, really.

As as side note, my kids get a little upset with me when we watch a scary movie. I shout out "shoot him, shoot him!" when the bad guy is ready to cut someone up or otherwise do the innocent some harm. With proper application of a .45 to the bad guy, there would be no movie. LOL
Both are very true.

I did not realize the extent of it until I moved to Arlington VA. There are 8 million people in the DC/Baltimore metropolitan area and not many are going to be gun owners, fewer still are going to own a handgun and fewer still are actually going to own a hand gun and shoot it. DC is a non starter and MD is practically the People's Republic of California when it comes to gun ownership. But even across the river in NOVA, there is not widespread support for gun ownership as shooting is such a PITA that people are just not going to get involved in it. Southern VA (in the actual south as opposed to govland, is a different story.)

In South Dakota in the small town where I grew up in the early 70's it was not uncommon for a 3rd grader to take their new bb gun or even .22 to school for show and tell. No one ever got shot and it is no real surprise as the use of firearms and the responsibility that went with them were taught rather than avoided.

Before I moved here I had a 200 yard range 20 yards from my back door, so shooting was a daily thing. Shooting clubs hosting tactical rifle and pistol matches were common and considered community events and hunting was time honored tradition.

however, when you translate that to the voting booth, 8 million people here will easily out vote several states like South Dakota where the whole population is under 750,000 and the majority of them are still not active shooters and it means nothing to the non gun owner to vote pro gun control as they are giving nothing up.

The irony of course is that I never really felt the need to carry a gun in SD for protection purposes, because violent crime is very low - in part because the population is still, on average, pretty well armed. Here, I have noted the murder and assault rates are highest in DC, where basically no guns are allowed and certainly no handguns, they are slightly lower in MD where guns are less restricted but where concealed carry is rare and they are very low in VA where both Concealed and open carry of handguns is allowed. More access to guns by the gneral public = lower crime rate? What an interesting concept, but it makes sense, because if I were going to mug people, DC woudl be my first choice as no one is going to be armed.

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+1 on the "shoot him!' comments during scary movies. A .45 or a 12 ga in the house and someone trained to use it would deal with about 99% of the scary home invasion crime plots on TV as well as, of course, zombies, aliens and your basic Jason style bad guys.
 
Although a strong proponent of an individual's right to both "keep and bear arms" I would not turn first to a gun for my home defense. I would rather keep it less lethal, if at all possible, and there are plenty of other good choices close at hand.
If I am faced with a well armed intruder I will not have time or the ability to retrieve a gun quickly enough, BUT at close enough quarters I can be quite lethal, and unless they start shooting immediately there will come a moment when we are close.
Not that I won't use a gun for defense; having once had to face down an aggressive trespasser starting to turn his 12ga on me, I know that I can and will react, knowing that I was less than one second from killing that man if I had to, leaving the choice up to him. I was never sure how that incident would have turned out if I were not armed, but he was already bringing that 12 up on me, fractions of a second before he realized I was armed and fully prepared to shoot well before he could have had his gun on me.
I did not like having had to make that choice. I've replayed it in my mind many times since. Had I not been armed I realize that I would probably have approached the situation a bit differently, so maybe... who knows.
It is just that now, since I started raising children, guns are less accessible in the home, and I don't see them as my FIRST line of defense anymore. But they will always remain a viable option, if required.
 
It would be interesting to get some input from the 4 loons who actually think all governments should collect up all weapons. As my friend in Germany explained to me, the seeing as they can't have guns, the criminals come from across their borders and terrorize them. They are powerless and defenseless in those situations, and by the time the cops show up, they have retreated back over the boarder.

Once you confiscate guns from the general population, they only people that will have guns will be the criminals. It would be interesting to have a poll and ask, the 98% of the people who apparently believe in having guns, what they will do when the government comes to collect them, something like this perhaps..

What will you do when the government comes to collect your guns;

1. Head for the hills
2. Hand them over, the government knows best
3. Over my dead body
4. This would be the start of a revolution
5. Bury them and claim ignorance

just some thoughts..
 
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