Bob3
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It's my understanding that Jessie was UDT rather than SEAL.
are there any real navy seals
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It's my understanding that Jessie was UDT rather than SEAL.
clive francis
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pipedope once bubbled...
It is likely that any currently active Navy SEALs are too busy training and going to 'conflicts other than war' to be on this board.
Even if they are on this board they are unlikely to identify themselves as SEALs. They don't want people to know who they are.
In years past people in the service who did 'interesting' jobs were prohibited from telling anyone who did not absolutely need to know about it.
The only real to find out what they really do is to become one of them, ... but then it is too late.ut:
rubbish.........here in the uk we have programs on tv showing seal training, you see the guys faces who are doing it, the instructors, the whole lot!
they rave about it being the hardest training as well
our equivalent (well not really) are the SBS - Special Boat Squadron, to get into that you have to have passed the SAS training and then be asked to join.
I have met several SBS guys (a major, which is the equiv of a colonel in the army, and some grunts) and to look at them you wouldn't know they were special forces, which is they way it is supposed to be.
I have seen them at fancy dress parties pissed like any normal guy.
I saw SAS guys and their hidy holes in Pristina (Kosovo), they just blend in
Patience
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I don't care what you call them, SEALs or SBS, these guys all deserve our respect and gratitude. Who among us would be willing to do what they do for our countries -- even assuming we had the strength and the skill?
The television program on training aside -- I think it's a recruiting tool, and a "feel good" move in the wake of 9/11 -- for the most part, these guys prefer to blend in.
I think you will find, regardless of the "special service", the folks that have "been there, done that, bought the T-shirt" are most likely to reveal themselves to others who have, shall we say, had the same cruise director.
It's pretty easy to criticize sitting there in a chair in front of a computer. I don't care if not all of them are fit company for a dinner party, either. I'm grateful they are willing to put their lives on the line for truth, justice and the American way.
So, here's to all the Special Forces folks -- and their parents and spouses and kids -- GOD BLESS THEM, EVERYONE.
Thanks folks, for all your sacrafices -- whoever you are.
The television program on training aside -- I think it's a recruiting tool, and a "feel good" move in the wake of 9/11 -- for the most part, these guys prefer to blend in.
I think you will find, regardless of the "special service", the folks that have "been there, done that, bought the T-shirt" are most likely to reveal themselves to others who have, shall we say, had the same cruise director.
It's pretty easy to criticize sitting there in a chair in front of a computer. I don't care if not all of them are fit company for a dinner party, either. I'm grateful they are willing to put their lives on the line for truth, justice and the American way.
So, here's to all the Special Forces folks -- and their parents and spouses and kids -- GOD BLESS THEM, EVERYONE.
Thanks folks, for all your sacrafices -- whoever you are.
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Firstly the to join the SBS you dont have to have been in the SAS, in fact very few SBS members have. To put it simply the SBS are mainly recruited from the Marines and the SAS are mainly recruited from the Army (mostly Parachute Regiment). Secondly no one serving in SBS was asked to join, they may have been given some slight encouragement at best. To complete this kind of training you have to be the kind of person that wants to do it without being asked. Infact most are discouraged, this is to make sure theyre the kind of people who will not be put off no matter what. Like all Special Forces they are a tight knit group that entry into is very difficult to achieve, the very thought that someone would be asked is outrageous. This is not a gentlemans club; you have to fight your way in. Theres a major difference, if you cant see it then you have obviously never had to try very, very hard to complete a goal. The above information did not come fromt man int pub.
I believe that the selection course for both services has been combined now, this allows Marines attend the SAS selection, which previously they were not allowed, and likewise the Army can now gain easier access to the SBS.
Yes these people do get drunk the same as the rest of us; they have to let off some seam. But as Pipedope said they prefer to remain ammoniums. We should all respect this, the world would probably be a much more hostile place without the NATO Special Forces.
:bonk: :froggy
Not true Clive, I can imagine where you get your information from though. Let me guess, a bloke down the pub told you? Or you read it in the Sun. One word Clive, BOLLOCKS.
Firstly the to join the SBS you dont have to have been in the SAS, in fact very few SBS members have. To put it simply the SBS are mainly recruited from the Marines and the SAS are mainly recruited from the Army (mostly Parachute Regiment). Secondly no one serving in SBS was asked to join, they may have been given some slight encouragement at best. To complete this kind of training you have to be the kind of person that wants to do it without being asked. Infact most are discouraged, this is to make sure theyre the kind of people who will not be put off no matter what. Like all Special Forces they are a tight knit group that entry into is very difficult to achieve, the very thought that someone would be asked is outrageous. This is not a gentlemans club; you have to fight your way in. Theres a major difference, if you cant see it then you have obviously never had to try very, very hard to complete a goal. The above information did not come fromt man int pub.
I believe that the selection course for both services has been combined now, this allows Marines attend the SAS selection, which previously they were not allowed, and likewise the Army can now gain easier access to the SBS.
Yes these people do get drunk the same as the rest of us; they have to let off some seam. But as Pipedope said they prefer to remain ammoniums. We should all respect this, the world would probably be a much more hostile place without the NATO Special Forces.
:bonk: :froggy
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Hear, hear.
clive francis
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to you too, i guess the back cover of a book a guy at work lent me that i quickly read, SBS book, by an ex SBS guy is a fabrication.
did i swear profans at you, no!
I merely picked up on what some one else said about seals being hollywood action stars, and here in the UK we see their faces plastered across the screens when they go through training...............well they can't be that elite if they let their faces be seen before they even finish training can they?
How many time have you seen SAS training on TV with proper recruits? you could probably count it on one finger, don't think they have ever shown SBS, because they don't want people seeing as being gun hoe which is how the seal one came across every time it gets shown on cable
the whole mystique of special forces is knowing nothing about them, so the enemy are afraid, not watching cable and see what they get up to, you can be too open and contribute to your own downfall.
With a previous employer I spent 8 weeks in Kosovo, while we were there we saw the whole of Kosovo, visited practically every base, the most memorable ocassions were:
waiting at APOD Pristina to go in the gate and an AK47 being lett off down the road, i think that was the quickest I had seen an Italian soldier move, we were through the gate quick as a flash
but the one that sticks in my mind is the arse hole yank marine who could have shot me! we were at the swedish base doing some work and a humvee or two came in .50 cals on top and they are supposed to make their weapons safe before entering the base. they are supposed to point the barrel in to a tube and clear it take out mag etc. then pull the trigger. our 4 x 4 was parked close to the clearing station (only space left) and this muppet cleared and pulled the trigger while it was pointing in my direction......I am no ballsitics expert, but i should imagine a m16 round from under 10ft is gonna hurt terminal, there is no thing as friendly fire, it is an excuse for stupidity!
Hamlet
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Yes Clive the information in that book was probably 90% pure fiction. Just take a look at a lot of other books out there, that rubbish written by Andy McNab (Bravo Two Zero) to name but one.
The TV shows that you are talking about I cant comment on having not seen them but how can you call the SEALs when there are so many British Special Forces guys writing bull****. Its beginning to look like these guys just go into SF so that they can write about it afterward and make some money. Dont think for one moment that these same writers would not like to become the Hollywood stars that youre talking about.
I for one believe that the USA has some outstanding Special Forces operatives, but lets face it its popular in British culture to knock the yanks. OK Brits do things differently, American soldiers may be a bit gung hoe but they all know one thing and its this. The tree of liberty sometimes needs watering with blood, and have proved that theyll spill their own if required.
The comment you make about the incident with Marine not clearing his weapon correctly I agree was stupidity but if any of the other Marines saw this they would have educated this man in their own way. This is not personal so dont take the bollocks thing to heart, but having a go at the SEALs probably upset me a lot more. As for friendly fire, this is a fact of life for anyone serving in any armed forces. I personally knew men who were killed by British! Friendly fire.
Remember SEALs are your friends, unless of course you decide to stand against freedom, that usually upsets them.
Respect for the time you did in Kosovo.
The TV shows that you are talking about I cant comment on having not seen them but how can you call the SEALs when there are so many British Special Forces guys writing bull****. Its beginning to look like these guys just go into SF so that they can write about it afterward and make some money. Dont think for one moment that these same writers would not like to become the Hollywood stars that youre talking about.
I for one believe that the USA has some outstanding Special Forces operatives, but lets face it its popular in British culture to knock the yanks. OK Brits do things differently, American soldiers may be a bit gung hoe but they all know one thing and its this. The tree of liberty sometimes needs watering with blood, and have proved that theyll spill their own if required.
The comment you make about the incident with Marine not clearing his weapon correctly I agree was stupidity but if any of the other Marines saw this they would have educated this man in their own way. This is not personal so dont take the bollocks thing to heart, but having a go at the SEALs probably upset me a lot more. As for friendly fire, this is a fact of life for anyone serving in any armed forces. I personally knew men who were killed by British! Friendly fire.
Remember SEALs are your friends, unless of course you decide to stand against freedom, that usually upsets them.
Respect for the time you did in Kosovo.
clive francis
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don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for special forces who ever they are.
and of course they are going to say they are the best.
do they show training films progs in the USA on British army, because one thing that really surprised me was the length of the mountain leader course the marines have to go through.
not content with going through one of the toughest selection programs in the UK army and probably world, they then after a qualifying period (i think they said, can't remember now) do the mountain leader course with is something like 9 months (may have been 12 months, can't remember) of the most unbelievable training you could imagine.
they go to Bergen, Norway (as in the ruck sack) kitted up cut a hole in the ice and jump in, stay in for a set time then pull themselves out with no help, give their name rank and number then go and get changed.
hike in the snow up and down mountains, at roughly the same speed without snow, running battles, survive for days, weeks with nothing but a pen knife and a fishing line/rabbit snare, truely amazing!
Is it true that the US don't have mountain specialist, which is why the marines went into Afghanistan?
If so, why with a country that has every possible terrain and weather condition don't they?
and of course they are going to say they are the best.
do they show training films progs in the USA on British army, because one thing that really surprised me was the length of the mountain leader course the marines have to go through.
not content with going through one of the toughest selection programs in the UK army and probably world, they then after a qualifying period (i think they said, can't remember now) do the mountain leader course with is something like 9 months (may have been 12 months, can't remember) of the most unbelievable training you could imagine.
they go to Bergen, Norway (as in the ruck sack) kitted up cut a hole in the ice and jump in, stay in for a set time then pull themselves out with no help, give their name rank and number then go and get changed.
hike in the snow up and down mountains, at roughly the same speed without snow, running battles, survive for days, weeks with nothing but a pen knife and a fishing line/rabbit snare, truely amazing!
Is it true that the US don't have mountain specialist, which is why the marines went into Afghanistan?
If so, why with a country that has every possible terrain and weather condition don't they?
clive francis
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lets see if this works second time round!
dag namit, what is wrong with this site?
the picture is fine on my pc, but garbled rubish when it is uploaded
dag namit, what is wrong with this site?
the picture is fine on my pc, but garbled rubish when it is uploaded
Jarhead
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No, It's not true. The US Army 10th Mountain Division is currently in Afghanistan. The Marines went in first because thats what Marines do. We go in and establish a beach-head or drop-zone for additional troops and supplies. The Marines also can move on orders from the President. While the Army requires Congressional approval.
Note: The Marines were preceded by CIA, US Army Special Forces and Navy seals in Afghanistan.
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