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AOW student looking to take tech route- wondering how i can get the edge.

Discussion in 'Technical Diving Specialties' started by divechk, Sep 24, 2008.

  1. ppo2_diver

    ppo2_diver Tech Instructor

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    I don't think GUE allows any instructor to rip off masks in any of their classes. However, if someone is at the Tech 1 or Tech 2 level for GUE, they are extremely solid divers and should be able to handle it.

    Again, it isn't a GUE-type tech instructor that will rip off masks. I think you are taking it out of context. If someone is taking a trimix course, then their fundamental skills need to be rock solid and capable of deploying a backup mask within seconds.
     
  2. String

    String Master Instructor

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    If you're unable to cope with having a mask suddenly vanish from your face on a dive you have no right really diving without supervision.
    You certainly have no right to be in an overhead hard or soft ceiling.
     
  3. nereas

    nereas Solo Diver

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    TDI does not rip off masks.

    TDI also does not take you through deco with a ripped off mask.

    Thus I would strongly recommend against GUE-tech, which often does so. Does both. These are just some of the questions that need to be asked.

    Glad we are at least back on point.
     
  4. ppo2_diver

    ppo2_diver Tech Instructor

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    Not true. A TDI instructor is free to teach HOW he/she desires. So if a TDI instructor wishes to rip off masks, then they can do so.

    I've taken and sat through many GUE classes and have never once saw the instructor, nor assistant, rip off a mask. What facts do you have to support your claim?
     
  5. String

    String Master Instructor

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    They take you through the training dives and can if the instructor wishes. Yet again its clear you don't know what you're talking about. No agency will do that to someone with a real decompression penalty but some will happily do it on the simulated dives and skill dives. And good. Im very glad they do.

    So even assuming what you say is true (and it would appear not to be as usual) you'd recommend people not do it in case they lose their mask. At this level if you cant survive with having your mask removed you have no business being in the water at all.
     
  6. dsteding

    dsteding DIR Practitioner

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    Nereas, your posts are somewhat like a Karl Rovian approach to a candidate's weakness: keep saying it is a strength, and it will come become one in people's minds.

    Everyone else, you are operating from a false premise, i.e., an instructor removing a mask from a student in a tech class is bad. What are we? A bunch of softies? Tech instructors coddling their students so they can be sure to get a card?

    I recently read a tech class report where an instructor held up a CARD saying "LIGHT FAILURE!!!!" OH GOD!!!

    The student responded by pointing their light backward (while still keeping it on) and deploying their backup light.

    This has no basis in reality. It is silly.

    Tech training, in my newbie tech diver opinion, needs to simulate reality as much as it can in a safe manner. Masks come off. If you can't handle that without keeping control of your buoyancy, then you shouldn't be tech diving. If an instructor can expose you to such an item in a controlled environment, with no deco obligation, then that is much better than having a "oh crap" moment as your buddy kicks your mask off and your lose control of your buoyancy.

    And, further, this is basic stuff. Really not a big deal. So I don't get your opposition to that happening in a tech class.
     
  7. Bismark

    Bismark Instructor, Scuba

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    I find it ironic that you claim to be a "newbie tech diver" yet you are about 8 light years ahead of our self confessed tech expert, Nereas.:wink: You are absolutely correct and, not surprisingly, Nereas is wrong.......again. Kind a' starting to feel like shooting fish in a barrel with him (btw, does anyone actually shoot fish in a barrel?)
     
  8. texdiveguy

    texdiveguy Orca Rest in Peace

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    Heck my first ever scuba class in 1971 we had our air turned off and masked knock off by instructors.....thing were much more 'macho' in those early days....we also did push ups wearing of canvas strapped steel 72's and breath hold donning of gear from the bottom of the training pool.

    Things have changes over the years in divers training at all levels.

    In my TDI programs we did exercises with no mask as part of the course skills and training.
     
  9. Blackwood

    Blackwood DIR Practitioner

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    I think most training programs do that. The question is whether the instructor can come up and rip it off or whether they must simply demand that you deliver it.
     
  10. dsteding

    dsteding DIR Practitioner

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    Sounds like a good class-except for the push ups, I see what you say about macho.
     

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