a spin off to the dying a hero thread...

[Blackwood]

OK, I think we're talking semantics. I have been in situations where I knew the way through and knew I could make it if I kept my head and did everything my training had taught me. Didn't make it any less stressful though. The word "crisis" is perhaps a bad word to use in this context.

Crisis is a suitable word, people just need to decouple it from "stress."

Reaching turn pressure is a crisis by definition. But it isn't stressful.

 

[LiteHedded]

which other ways would you guys like instructors to violate standards to stress students?
perhaps cut their harness during the dive?

 

[Sas]

Can I ask what you learned from having you instructor turn off your gas that you didn't learn by being put through a scenario in which you turned off your own gas?

Turning off my own gas gives me a fair while to plan how I will respond to being without gas. Someone else here gave an example of how they had about thirty seconds to think things through when going OOA due to an empty stage. It's a while to chill out about things.

When it is unexpected and your instructor times it so that you are OOA and maskless on an exhale at a very inopportune moment, you REALLY want air asap and it results in a physical stress response which can reduce how calmly you think things through. I found being subjected to that helped me learn to calm my physical response to being OOA down and think through things better such as (given I have been maskless) 'where was my buddy's position when I last could see' and so on. It also made me realise how much longer I can last without air and in general gave me more confidence when dealing with unexpected situations.

 

[manni-yunk]

The person who asserted this early on declined to answer my question as to which agency's standards were being flouted. Last I heard different agencies have different standards.

Well its now been answered and even YOUR agency says its against the standards - AND you have apparently quoted and/or references an instructor and they are saying that it was BS.

Ive also seen you make untrue statements in a thread about boats and boat handling at high speeds where you were wrong.

Might be a pattern developing.

 

[Wormil]

which other ways would you guys like instructors to violate standards to stress students?
perhaps cut their harness during the dive?

Underwater sexual assault, while fending off bull sharks, in a cave, 10,000' back, with no bailout, and two hookers giggling.

 

[Wormil]

Well its now been answered and even YOUR agency says its against the standards - AND you have apparently quoted and/or references an instructor and they are saying that it was BS.

Ive also seen you make untrue statements in a thread about boats and boat handling at high speeds where you were wrong.

Might be a pattern developing.

I see a troll emerging and two hookers laughing.

 

[rjack321]

which other ways would you guys like instructors to violate standards to stress students?

Cut light cords in the cave. No primary light exit while increasingly pissed that its flooding through the cord. Teaches making good navigational decisions while crying about one's check book.

 

[peterbj7]

As I asked in response to Cerich's first post on this, WHAT standards? There are no absolute standards, merely those imposed by the different training organisations on their instructors and they vary widely. Or are you advocating the introduction of absolute standards, imposed by government? Even then they would differ across countries. Perhaps we need a UN symposium to agree international diving instructor standards that would then be applied world-wide.

 

[Kevin Carlisle]

which other ways would you guys like instructors to violate standards to stress students?
perhaps cut their harness during the dive?

Maybe steal 1 fin, and flood their drysuit.

 

[rjack321]

As I asked in response to Cerich's first post on this, WHAT standards? There are no absolute standards, merely those imposed by the different training organisations on their instructors and they vary widely. Or are you advocating the introduction of absolute standards, imposed by government? Even then they would differ across countries. Perhaps we need a UN symposium to agree international diving instructor standards that would then be applied world-wide.

So did you call Tom Mount and tell him you're applying different "IANTD" standards in Brazil? The Portugese translation maybe?