A different take on Master Scuba Diver

[100days-a-year]

Pretty sure those are kinder than some of the adjectives I use to describe most of the divers I've seen.

 

[BoltSnap]

I didn't read any insult there. It's a sad time when criticisms are seen as insults. Egos shouldn't be so fragile as to not be able to accept criticisms real or imagined.

Criticism of what? I didn't say anything at all, none!!! I merely clicked "bullseye" on a post. What did I say to deserve criticism? Did you bother to read or investigate anything before you jump into the issue without understanding what's going on?

Our friend said: "instructors who should do us all a favor and stop teaching like the people who liked/bullseyed your comment."

What did I say to deserve him to command me to stop teaching? What does he know about me from me clicking "Bullseye" on a post? I live and work 10,000Km away from him and he doesn't know me or been anywhere near me. This isn't criticism, this is character assassination and libel. I NEVER engaged him or talked to him or made wrote ANY words or said anything, again, merely clicked "Bullseye." Does he have a crystal ball to read my mind and to remotely know what I am doing 10,000 km away from him?

I do NOT accept any accusations or criticism that are unfair, undeserved, false, hostile, hateful or are just meant as part of a smear campaign. How on God's earth can any reasonable person criticize anyone or anything he hasn't seen or received information about? I didn't post anything for him to justify his attack.

Unless you feel you're perfect, you should be reading and digesting every critique, asked for or not. Not all are applicable, but you should still appreciate the fact that someone cared enough to let you know how they feel. Most of us lack the situational awareness to pick up on how we can improve. You can't learn how to do things better if no one criticizes you. You can't sharpen a knife without a bit of abrasion. So stop whining when someone criticizes you and look inward. It's a forum and we want to hear differences of opinions even if it hurts your feelings.

You are here suger coating personal attacks and insults, again he said: "instructors who should do us all a favor and stop teaching like the people who liked/bullseyed your comment."

What did I do, say, write that deserves me being insulted and accused of something to the point of demanding me "to stop teaching"? For somebody to say this to an instructor, it means that the instructor has committed a very serious error or violated some standards to the point he should stop teaching.

What did I do to deserve such public lynching? Can you please let me know what I did, say or write to deserve this?

If you feel that YOU deserve insults and criticism, you are the one who knows what you have done or what errors you have committed. I haven't done anything and I don't appreciate being attacked in such humiliating way in public by somebody who isn't even remotely qualified.



A professional and a true educator doesn't stand on a corner and condemns everyone that passes by him and attacks them accusing them of things they never said, done or wrote. This isn't criticism nor a valid way to change anything wrong in the dive business or the world. This is just showmanship and trying to appear a hero before an audience. To educate and to enlighten people to encourage them to change for the better is better served by more professional and diplomatic means, best by leadership and example not by bullying and defamation of character based solely on me clicking "bullseye" on a post. Somebody constantly and insistently pounding their chest about how great they are and continuously attacking and ridiculing others doesn't make him right nor does it help his cause at all. It certainly doesn't make him a leader or give him more credibility.


The only thing I see and read here is somebody with serious inferiority complexes trying to compensate for his inadequacies by making accusations and viciously attacking others while uttering the politically correct phrases to make himself appear as a hero who is superior to others. Criticism should be to behavior and to methods not personal against people.

BUT, as we say in Arabic, the mountain won't shake or sway to the laugh of the hyena.

 

[BoltSnap]

A bash is calling you an a-hole

This is bashing and a personal attack even in a PM?

 

[BoltSnap]

We have a rule about agency bashing: it's not allowed. You can still criticize any agency. You can still tell us you don't like them and it is even better if you tell us why. If we all agreed on the same things this would be a boring, boring forum. Bashing is telling us an agency is stealing from us or is useless.

Same rules as you mention here apply to criticism of dive equipment manufacturers right?

 

[BoltSnap]

As you stated, you don't know me or the individuals who took offense. A couple of comments of them taking offense is quite ironic given their own lengthy history. Stick around and you'll see what I mean and you'll say to yourself "why are these guys offended?"

Why don't you explain please? Your attacking somebody for no reason without any information or anything written or said by this person can be explained by what? Perhaps it is a proactive anticipatory action after consulting with your crystal ball?

 

[RobPNW]

Back to that actual original topic, I don't mind the idea of having a title after completing a certain amount of training if it keeps some people motivated to continue learning their craft. I just wished they called it something else. I meet all the qualifications but I'm not a master of anything, and therefore, I don't want it.

 

[Centrals]

Back to that actual original topic, I don't mind the idea of having a title after completing a certain amount of training if it keeps some people motivated to continue learning their craft. I just wished they called it something else. I meet all the qualifications but I'm not a master of anything, and therefore, I don't want it.

I never shown the card to anyone.
There is nothing to write home about.
Whether the title has any meaning/usefulness is entirely personal.
30 pages on the topic already and there are plenty of similar threads. Never ending issue. LOL.

 

[The Chairman]

what's going on?

He told you clearly and you still don't understand? That's kind of funny. You even quoted it too. That's the opposite of situational awareness.

You are here sugar coating personal attacks and insults,

What insult? Is your skin so thin that the merest of disagreements is insulting to you? Wow. Just wow.

Same rules as you mention here apply to criticism of dive equipment manufacturers right?

There's a significant difference between what he did and you being a POV warrior, jumping into any discussion you can to diss them. No, I don't expect you to be able to distinguish between the two, because of your blind hate and need to hurt that manufacturer. WBTE has a strong POV, which I somewhat disagree with, but I don't see him derailing thread after thread just to hurt someone's business. You stalk your prey but I don't see that with WBTE. FWIW, remember that YOU brought this up. Don't blame me for answering your criticism! I'm pretty confident you'll be doing just that.

If your feelings are hurt because someone on the internet thinks that you're part of some problem, then disconnect your routers and modems. Egos that fragile need the firewall of disconnection to feel safe. If you feel you deserve special protection because someone disagrees with you, then I am flabbergasted. Flummoxed. Gob smacked. Feeling a bit of ennui mixed with astonished disbelief. However, this feels more like a ploy to win your argument through whining. We call that a logical fallacy.

WBTE and I have sharply disagreed here... go back and read. Neither of us is butthurt. Of course, I'm not trying to find a reason to be butt-hurt and neither is he. We won't play the victim because we don't agree completely.

OK, I'm done with this off topic crap. If you want to discuss it further send a PM or bring it up in site support. Maybe a mod will split these comments off to their own little pity party.

 

[The Chairman]

I don't mind the idea of having a title after completing a certain amount of training

Great point.

You and only you are responsible for your dive. Your instructor will not be doing the dive for you. You and only you will be injured or killed if you screw up. Know your limits and honor them. Do it for you.

There are no Scuba Police down there. Other than needing AOW for deep dives around the work, and certain dives with ceilings involved, no one cares what you do. Yeah, you can run into the guys who want to be the Scuba Police, but just ignore them. That doesn't mean you shouldn't listen to the voices of reason out there. Hopefully, you can tell the difference.

 

[BoltSnap]

What insult? Is your skin so thin that the merest of disagreements is insulting to you? Wow. Just wow.

Disagreement over what? I didn't write any opinion at all for him to attack or even to disagree with me. Again, I simply clicked "Bullseye" on a post and he proceeded to state: "instructors who should do us all a favor and stop teaching like the people who liked/bullseyed your comment. "

There's a significant difference between what he did and you being a POV warrior, jumping into any discussion you can to diss them. No, I don't expect you to be able to distinguish between the two, because of your blind hate and need to hurt that manufacturer. WBTE has a strong POV, which I somewhat disagree with, but I don't see him derailing thread after thread just to hurt someone's business. You stalk your prey but I don't see that with WBTE. FWIW, remember that YOU brought this up. Don't blame me for answering your criticism! I'm pretty confident you'll be doing just that.

Can you point where this violates the ToS here and what makes "stalking"? Is somebody constantly criticizing another manufacturer repeatedly OK?

If your feelings are hurt because someone on the internet thinks that you're part of some problem, then disconnect your routers and modems. Egos that fragile need the firewall of disconnection to feel safe. If you feel you deserve special protection because someone disagrees with you, then I am flabbergasted. Flummoxed. Gob smacked. Feeling a bit of ennui mixed with astonished disbelief. However, this feels more like a ploy to win your argument through whining. We call that a logical fallacy.

No, I just respond to him with what I believe is right and call his BS.

WBTE and I have sharply disagreed here... go back and read. Neither of us is butthurt. Of course, I'm not trying to find a reason to be butt-hurt and neither is he. We won't play the victim because we don't agree completely.

I am sure you need somebody to really dig in for you to feel butt-hurt.