200' on air for 5 min bottom time?

[Abdullah]

Whatever. There's knowing how to discuss a topic and there's having the time & interest to explain yourself to someone who clearly doesn't get it. Afraid you're just going to have to get over it. Go ahead call me troll a few more times if it makes you feel better

You have the time & interest to say you don't have the time & interest... Does read like a troll... just sayin'.

 

[clownfishsydney]

I repeat, Dave Shaw should not be used as an example of a diver to look up too. He broke so many rules, taking his first rebreather past depths that the manufacturer said would lead to items breaking (and they did), diving to his deepest depths when using new multiple bits of new equipment (rather than testing first). He was a pilot of large passenger jets, did he do this on his planes as well? I would guess he did.

I should have made it clearer, all they had to do once he found the body was to add some flotation to the drop line that was connected to the body and it probably would have come up. Even if it did not, he should have simply attached a new line to the body's BCD and then later it could have been hauled up via that.

 

[DCBC]

I repeat, Dave Shaw should not be used as an example of a diver to look up too. He broke so many rules, taking his first rebreather past depths that the manufacturer said would lead to items breaking (and they did), diving to his deepest depths when using new multiple bits of new equipment (rather than testing first). He was a pilot of large passenger jets, did he do this on his planes as well? I would guess he did.

I should have made it clearer, all they had to do once he found the body was to add some flotation to the drop line that was connected to the body and it probably would have come up. Even if it did not, he should have simply attached a new line to the body's BCD and then later it could have been hauled up via that.

I think that this is the second time you've mentioned this. Regardless what the late Mr. Shaw did or did not do, has little to do with this thread. I believe Dale originally mentioned this to highlight that the risks we each take while diving, reflect upon others outside of ourselves. Naming David Shaw imo was inappropriate (may he RIP), but Dale's point is a valid one.

 

[shoredivr]

Archie Forfar 480' 1971
Anne Gunderson 480' 1971

Heywood Day, 140', 1962
Ron Hughes, 150', 1963
Paul Giancontere, 200', 1965
Brend Joost, 160', 1968
Stephen Alexander, 210', 1969
Pat McIntree, 150', 1969
Brett Naisbet, 150', 1969
Wayne Dillon, 210', 1969
Francis Wilson, 160', 1969
Paul Bartlett, 140', 1970
Robert Causey, 180', 1970
Bud Sims, 300', 1970
Fred Schmidt, 150', 1970
John Cruselle, 180', 1971
Frank Martz, 300', 1971
Robert Vaughn, 200', 1971
Doug Deurloo, 150', 1971
Ray Elman, 260', 1972
Alex Nesbitt, 200', 1972
Thomas Cranmer, 200', 1972
Paul Dietrich, 240', 1972
Dan Cole, 220', 1972
Rich Broman, 140', 1972
Stephen Millott, 250', 1973
Christine Millott, 250', 1973
John Bockerman, 250', 1973
Gordon Roberts, 250', 1973
William Smith, 200', 1973
Melvan Tillman, 150', 1973
James Waddington, 140', 1973
Robert Wyatt, 210', 1973
Deane Valentine, 190', 1973
George Van de Nord, 190', 1973
Paul Reinholm, 170', 1974
Unidentified, 200', 1974
Dana Turner, 290', 1974
Charles Barone, 180', 1975
Daniel Howard, 180', 1975
Steve Herman, 180', 1975
Mike Goddard, 170', 1976
Arthur Williamson, 140', 1976
Sven Sorenson, 140', 1976
William Wood, 180', 1978
Carl Miles, 180', 1978
Terry Collins, 260', 1981
James Bentz, 260', 1981
Bill McFadden, 200', 1988
William Cronin, 140', 1988
Kenny Potts, 200', 1990
Lloyd Morrison, 250', 1990
Billy Liiard, 180', 1991
Ormsby, John 230' 1985
Feldman, Steve 235' 1991
Soellner, Ed 145' 1992
Rouse, Jr, Chris 235' 1992
Rouse, Sr Chris 235' 1992
Santulli, Robert 220 1992
Sheck Exley 400 ead 1994
Nick Commoglio 450
Rob Palmer 396 1997
Rob Parker 250 1997
Ed Suarez 280 1994
Carl Sutton 280
Legare Hole 240
Andy Bader 220
Aron Arvidson 311 1995
Dennis Sirvet 110 meters
Douglas Missavage 191 1997

So much for that PADI report being all inclusive. There are more after that date, but I have a finite amount of time to devote to finding/ making lists.

Also
http://archive.rubicon-foundation.org/2522
Dissociation of the behavioral and subjective components of nitrogen narcosis and diver adaptation
Subjective and behavioural responses to nitrogen narcosis and alcohol.

I also suggest reading the 2008 DAN report. 19% of ALL reported fatalities occurred between 120 and 150', with 10 total below 120', and another 10 between 90 and 120. That's a pretty stout percentage. Of ALL the fatalities reported, Trimix was used in 1 case (OC), and rebreathers in 2. END was not reported.

2006 DAN report. 26% of fatalities that had a reported depth involved dives past 100'. Only 6 of the dive fatalities w/ reported gas involved trimix (END not reported again).

Remember my 'handful' statement? There ya go.

 

[DCBC]

Archie Forfar 480' 1971
Anne Gunderson 480' 1971

So your point is that there were two more divers that died on Air at 480' 42 years ago? I don't think that there would be too many people that read this, that wouldn't think that such a dive would be risky on air... I would suggest that the cause of death for these divers was Oxygen poisoning and not IGN...

 

[Bryan Cunningham]

Nitrox is NOT better for deep dives, it is a shallow water mix. Th increased O2 is more dangerous than the nitrogen. You need Trimix.

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I used to do a lot of deep dives on air. Got away with it for years and years, until I made a mistake. I am now paralyzed in my legs. DON'T DO IT.

 

[shoredivr]

Brett Gilliam mentioned these two deaths in "Deep Diving", they were attempting a depth record using a steel cable tied to an engine block at 480' in the Bahamas. The book mentions that they had done numerous bounce dives in the 400s working up to the fatal 480'. Others on these dives reported passing out at depth, and regaining consciousness on the way up in a cloud of bubbles. Archie and Anne were last seen with their heads against the engine block still kicking but going nowhere. Those attempting a rescue, who included Sheck Exley, were unable to retain consciousness to reach them from 400'. Any effort brought on the feeling of passing out.

It illustrates the stupidity of depth records on air IMO.

I'm just a stickler for lists, and couldn't help myself from adding to it.

 

[DCBC]

I used to do a lot of deep dives on air. Got away with it for years and years, until I made a mistake. I am now paralyzed in my legs. DON'T DO IT.

Bryan, I'm sorry to hear this. Would you mind describing your previous diving experience/training and the circumstances surrounding your accident? I would be especially interested in the details of your Dive Plan.

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It illustrates the stupidity of depth records on air IMO.

I agree. As you don't pass-out from IGN, OxTox was likely the cause.

 

[danvolker]

So your point is that there were two more divers that died on Air at 480' 42 years ago? I don't think that there would be too many people that read this, that wouldn't think that such a dive would be risky on air... I would suggest that the cause of death for these divers was Oxygen poisoning and not IGN...

While there is no denying ox tox was the proximate cause of death, the more general cause of death on a 480 foot air dive is absolute stupidity.
Fortunately for those of us that did lots of 280 to 300 foot deep air dives, we were just guilty of a lot of stupidity.....and as everyone knows, lots of stupid is no where near as serious as absolute stupid....


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Miracle Max: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Inigo Montoya: What's that?
Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.

 

[dumpsterDiver]

While there is no denying ox tox was the proximate cause of death, the more general cause of death on a 480 foot air dive is absolute stupidity.
Fortunately for those of us that did lots of 280 to 300 foot deep air dives, we were just guilty of a lot of stupidity.....and as everyone knows, lots of stupid is no where near as serious as absolute stupid....

.....

Since we have diverged far off the topic of 200 feet into ridiculous depths.... how about this guy?

Almost did 800 feet on one breath?

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