200' on air for 5 min bottom time?

[Tortuga68]

Ask Dave Shaws wife if she really really thinks it was worth it

I think it's pretty lame (and totally irrelevant) to bring that up in (yet) a(nother) meaningless pissant thread on SB, but since you asked, let's hear from the woman herself:

"I couldn't keep him tied down. He was like a bird. You put a bird in a cage or you let it fly free. If you put him in a cage, he's never really happy. Having him fly free was always a risk. There was always a chance he wouldn't come back one day. It is something I have always know I might have to face"

Anyway, this has about as much to do with the OP as landing on Mars

 

[DaleC]

That sounds like she had to accept his decision, not think it was worth it.
I'm not slamming D.S. I was simply suggesting that sometimes the benefit does not outweigh the risk. We then make a personal decision as to whether we accept that risk for our own reasons. On the face of it one could say D.S. died trying to recover a corpse - not worth it. Of course, we know he lived fulfilling some intrinsic need to push his own personal limits. I accept that as I do the same thing myself.

As to relevance. One has to ask, unless one is recovering an object or tying in a line, what real reason is there to do a 5 minute bounce to 200'. None really. That doesn't mean one shouldn't do it. It just means that the reason is probably personal. One should look at the risk and how to mitigate it. Either that means training to use different gas or training to do deep air.
Which choice one makes has a lot of variables that I can't comment on from anyone else's viewpoint but my own.

 

[dumpsterDiver]

That sounds like she had to accept his decision, not think it was worth it.
I'm not slamming D.S. I was simply suggesting that sometimes the benefit does not outweigh the risk. We then make a personal decision as to whether we accept that risk for our own reasons. On the face of it one could say D.S. died trying to recover a corpse - not worth it. Of course, we know he lived fulfilling some intrinsic need to push his own personal limits. I accept that as I do the same thing myself.

As to relevance. One has to ask, unless one is recovering an object or tying in a line, what real reason is there to do a 5 minute bounce to 200'. None really. That doesn't mean one shouldn't do it. It just means that the reason is probably personal. One should look at the risk and how to mitigate it. Either that means training to use different gas or training to do deep air.
Which choice one makes has a lot of variables that I can't comment on from anyone else's viewpoint but my own.

As my dad used to say: "who died and left you in charge?"... I mean you are now the self appointed dictator of how long a dive needs to be? Can I do something similar and say there is absolutely "no real" reason to scuba dive at a depth of less than 15 or 20 feet?

 

[AfterDark]

That sounds like she had to accept his decision, not think it was worth it.
I'm not slamming D.S. I was simply suggesting that sometimes the benefit does not outweigh the risk. We then make a personal decision as to whether we accept that risk for our own reasons. On the face of it one could say D.S. died trying to recover a corpse - not worth it. Of course, we know he lived fulfilling some intrinsic need to push his own personal limits. I accept that as I do the same thing myself.

As to relevance. One has to ask, unless one is recovering an object or tying in a line, what real reason is there to do a 5 minute bounce to 200'. None really. That doesn't mean one shouldn't do it. It just means that the reason is probably personal. One should look at the risk and how to mitigate it. Either that means training to use different gas or training to do deep air.
Which choice one makes has a lot of variables that I can't comment on from anyone else's viewpoint but my own.

Don't some guys in the Gulf do 200' bounce dives to spear fish? Not a good reason IMO but is is a reason.

 

[DaleC]

You are misinterpreting my comments because you think it challenges your POV - which it does not. If you take the personal bias out of the equation you would see I actually argued that people create their own reasons for doing what they do (intrinsic)... and that those reasons are valid - for them. If you want to add spearfishing to retrieving an object or tying in a line go ahead - I won't argue. My point was to address the difference between going to depth to perform a task as opposed to going to depth for it's own sake.

I am neither anti/pro deep air. I see it as a dependent decision based on a lot of factors and I think the decision is up to the individual.

If I were to appoint myself the dictator of something, it would involve scantily clad women and not deep air diving

 

[Tortuga68]

Referencing a failed 270m trimix rebreather body recovery attempt didn't help your argument

 

[clownfishsydney]

Dave Shaw should never be used as an example of a good diver doing a good thing. It was a relatively new diver (most of his dives were in courses) undertaking a stupid macho thing rather than try to see if the body would come up (remember he had connected a reel to the body and to the down line). In the end, this is what brought up not only the body, but his own.

 

[nimoh]

You are misinterpreting my comments because you think it challenges your POV - which it does not. If you take the personal bias out of the equation you would see I actually agued that people create their own reasons for doing what they do (intrinsic)... and that those reasons are valid - for them. If you want to add spearfishing to retrieving an object or tying in a line go ahead - I won't argue. My point was to address the difference between going to depth to perform a task as opposed to going to depth for it's own sake.

I am neither anti/pro deep air. I see it as a dependent decision based on a lot of factors and I think the decision is up to the individual.

If I were to appoint myself the dictator of something, it would involve scantily clad women and not deep air diving

aren't all reasons for diving personal? even commercial divers chose that profession.

sometimes the reason is just that I want to see what is at 200', and only need 5 minutes to look around. This is very common when searching for wrecks and a blip shows up on the depth finder.

 

[DaleC]

Referencing a failed 270m trimix rebreather body recovery attempt didn't help your argument

What argument?

That at some point, some dives are done more for intrinsic values than external ones.
That divers have to evaluate their own estimation as to whether the risks out weight the rewards.
That those decisions are personal and can't be imposed upon someone by others.
That, whatever choice one makes, it's important to do your own due diligence in regards to risk mitigation.

Which point exactly don't you agree with?

My reference to D.S., in context of the discussion in which it occurred, was to illustrate that risk/reward is not a one size fits all. We all view the worth of what we do from our own perspective. It was not a criticism.

 

[captain]

Don't some guys in the Gulf do 200' bounce dives to spear fish? Not a good reason IMO but is is a reason.

Every weekend.