emttim
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Sure the convulstions are seem rather harmless.... if you weren't underwater. If you seize underwater the reg will likely fall from your mouth and your buddy's best efforts probably won't be able to get the reg back in your mouth. And after the seizure stops you should be able to breathe through a reg just fine while unconscious. You will be hard-pressed to find cases of a successful tox rescue. If you seize underwater with standard OC gear, it probably will not end well.
High PO2 exposures in the chamber are different story. It's a medical treatment for one thing. And you are not underwater, you are being tended to by a technician, and the exposures are carefully times. And if you seize, well, you just seize you don't drown.
Right, hence why I said at 130', screw that. I would be very surprised if there was ever a case of a successful tox rescue. I'm sure it's possible, considering the mammalian diving reflex makes rescuscitation possible on victims who have been underwater for an hour or more, but that's a long shot at best and a done deal at worst.
Ok well I have never any kind of course on Nitrox or dived with it, or had to do the calculations but I have heard the 1.4 limit, with 1.6 as a contingency. I was confused by this when I read a bit about chamber treatment as one story I read had the chamber set to 18m deep whilst breathing 100% oxygen (Table 62 treatment) for 60mins, which would put the ppO2 at 2.8? I do know that people under going recompression have to be watched carefully to make sure they don't seize so I guess this could be because of the oxygen content of what they are breathing?
I heard that oxygen becomes lethal at ppO2 of 2, which I guess can't be correct then given the chamber treatment. As emttim asked, some links to proper studies would be cool if anybody has some as I am interested now. The google results are many and contradictory.
I would imagine that the much higher ppO2 for chamber rides is primarily due to the fact that any medical patient who is severely injured, in a lot of pain, etc. will benefit from a high concentration of oxygen. As far as my protocols goes for EMT, any diving accident qualifies for 100% oxygen on the way to the hospital.
Why do you use those mixes when diving to 130'? Do they give you that much extra bottom time to be worth it? I am not sure so just asking how long you've spent at depth with those mixes.
No problem.

EANx28 is 115.5 ft and EANx26 is 119 ft. So either way you're treating the EAD as 120 ft which gives you an NDL of 13 minutes as opposed to 10 minutes on air. So you're getting 30% more bottom time. Doesn't seem like much, but say you just wanted to do 10 min at 130' instead...you end up in G pressure group instead of H, you don't hit an NDL which is a good thing, and it'll take you less surface interval time to offgas.
Here is a link to a document that shows the results of a study on the rate of Ox Tox (Both Paul Bert and Lorraine Smith) in chambers. They studied exposures up to 2.9 ATA and the study says that exposures up to 3.3 ATA are permitted under the protocol being studied. The patients in the study were all being treated for diving-related injuries.
One interesting result is that females appear to be at a significantly greater risk of a toxic event than males, at least for the parameters of this study. I make no assertion that this makes any difference in the diving environment.
http://archive.rubicon-foundation.org/dspace/bitstream/123456789/4010/1/15485081.pdf
I'll have to take a look at it, thanks for the link!