A different take on Master Scuba Diver

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Why is horizontal trim so important if donating gas and shooting an SMB? Arbitrary task requirement for ego stroking.
To my point in my post above, it's so that when the SHTF and you're stressed, you fall back on your instinct about trim and are able to keep your trim at least good enough not to get tangled up in the line or yank the hose the OOG diver is breathing from or any of the other things you could do that would make the situation worse--possibly spiraling out of control. If you practice doing an air-sharing ascent while maintaining very precise trim and buoyancy, then maybe you will get it close enough when the SHTF.
 
You can do videos as well, you don't have to get just close up pictures, and you can put photos in size perspective. In fact that is what a good training book or elearning should be doing. Not the crap that most agencies are putting out at the moment.

IMO a course like fish ID is an out of water course. And is a skill learned over a long period.

But hey why don't we just agree to disagree before you get all stressed out.



So if you are weighing a MSD with what I deem as informal/out of water courses vs classes with specific in water skills like deep, nav, drysuit, et al; I weigh those in water courses as having greater value to the skill of a diver.
Herein is the difference: you are concerned only about thr personal "skill" of a diver, and apparently feel that does not include things such as distinguishing a coral from a sponge or the ability to survey the health of a reef to enhance a science database.
 
Herein is the difference: you are concerned only about thr personal "skill" of a diver, and apparently feel that does not include things such as distinguishing a coral from a sponge or the ability to survey the health of a reef to enhance a science database.
I know it’s not the same, but by way of comparison to qualify as a Mountain Leader you are not just assessed on technical ‘skill’ (eg cross country navigation in all weathers day or night) but also knowledge of the environment around you and ability to explain that to others.
 
Herein is the difference: you are concerned only about thr personal "skill" of a diver, and apparently feel that does not include things such as distinguishing a coral from a sponge or the ability to survey the health of a reef to enhance a science database.

If I want to be a runner do I need to know about all the birds and other animals I might see on my run? Or do I need to know proper forms, how to dress to stay warm for different weather, or how to run on trails?
 
If I want to be a runner do I need to know about all the birds and other animals I might see on my run? Or do I need to know proper forms, how to dress to stay warm for different weather, or how to run on trails?
This is why diving is far more interesting than running.
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As always when this topic comes up, the advanced pro divers (for lack of a better term) start spouting off about the name and the requirements. How about a different point of view. I started my dive road late in life. I have no interest in cave or tech diving. I was scared of the water and took a leap of faith and fell in love with this sport. After 9 yrs. of a lot of fun dives and taking courses as I could, I recently achieved the MSD rating from PADI. I am proud of what I have accomplished. No, I am not a master of anything in my eyes. I will always strive to get better. I am afraid to say I have this card for fear of the backlash and the accusations that it means nothing. It means the world to me. I achieved a goal that I set for myself. Yes I have the after diving warm up jacket covered in patches. I will put my MSD patch on it. I am proud for people to see it. I am a scuba diver. I have dive stickers on my car and gear. I do not talk like I know everything, but I do listen. So let the fundie recreational divers have some pride. If a person steps over the line with you personally, then feel free to shred them. However, do not judge me by my jacket.
 
If all you have are core skills, you'd be missing out on much of the enjoyment of diving

Nah that is when the real fun begins. Because you don't have to think through diving, you can now spare brain power to activities that don't directly have to do with the dive itself.

I've said it a few times in my thread in the technical forum, the cave I saw during my cave course or in the dives just after I got certified looks night and day different from the cave I see today. "Is that a clay layer? Looks at those drip marks down the wall. OH LOOK A FOSSIL!"

Heck it was the same thing during the last weekend I was in Jupiter the first dive on the first day was horrible. I was out of my element because I was out of practice for that sort of diving. So I had to think through a lot of things. Day 2 was much better because I was much more in tune to that sort of diving.
 

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