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Extremely BAD News: Dutch Springs likely closing permanently ...
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It's probably the same just about everywhere.
The Last Resort by The Eagles comes to mind.
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Yea... Cold for you ;--) Sad to see it closing. It will be a loss for the NE Dive Community.Sad news.. I just looked back at some pictures from the last time I was there with @ericfine50 in like 2003. I remember it being cold..
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Interesting. They are allowed to have zebra mussels in there as there is no outlet. So with no outlet, garbage would be the most likely fill.
Do they still run garbage trucks into the structures next to Dutch?
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Who wants to wager those warehouses are going to be supplying our Amazon orders?
The total area being sold is 95 acres. The quarry itself is 40. The family is entitled to sell, of course. I probably would, too. The insurance premium alone must be staggering.
The total area being sold is 95 acres. The quarry itself is 40. The family is entitled to sell, of course. I probably would, too. The insurance premium alone must be staggering.
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I agree, but it’s interesting that there is no mention of them attempting to sell to the local dive community. That place seems like a lucrative business so I don’t see why they couldn’t sell to someone who wants to keep it open.
Lucrative is relative. It looks like a huge hassle to operate.
I imagine employee turnover is pretty rampant and relies mostly on untrained teenagers. Billable labor hours are not going to be a cost center.
Insurance has absolutely got to be through the roof. You are maybe covering premiums with the scuba community.
I've never seen it packed to the gills. Profit is in numbers.
So the owner's probably clearing a couple hundred thousand a year. Subtract from that the headache of employees, the stress of managing a business and the fact that someone is probably going to die or get seriously hurt on your property. You're at a net loss.
I imagine employee turnover is pretty rampant and relies mostly on untrained teenagers. Billable labor hours are not going to be a cost center.
Insurance has absolutely got to be through the roof. You are maybe covering premiums with the scuba community.
I've never seen it packed to the gills. Profit is in numbers.
So the owner's probably clearing a couple hundred thousand a year. Subtract from that the headache of employees, the stress of managing a business and the fact that someone is probably going to die or get seriously hurt on your property. You're at a net loss.
I’ve never seen their financials but I’ve been there many times and it looks anything but lucrative. I’ve heard that they made more from the waterpark than SCUBA. Their insurance bill must be enormous. Hiring and training dozens of kids to man the concessions. The maintenance and upkeep bill must be huge. It’s also only open for a few months each year so your revenue opportunity is limited.
I would never invest in that biz. Neither, more importantly, has anyone else stepped up to it. Those red dive flags are a waving.
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"Google Earth" (used as a verb) Dutch Springs. It is now surrounded by warehouses.
Taking all values from the internet (and using lowball estimates) we could guesstimate the value of Dutch as a hole in the ground that could handle all the garbage that those warehouses could possibly generate.
1 Acre = 43,560 sqft
40 acres = 1.7 million sqft
at an average depth of 30 feet, the hole in the ground comes out to be a bit over 50 million cuft
compacted municipal waste is given as 20-25 pounds per cuft.
so we have 1,000 million pounds as capacity, or 500,000 tons
average cost to landfill municipal solid waste (MSW) is $53.72 per ton.
$25M. That is going to be a hard number to overcome for divers.
The quarry is in the dead center of a huge trucking operation. Backhauling MSW from some areas of the country could be stupidly lucrative...
You want a good alternative? Buy out the fish farm that keeps Willow Springs green. Home Page
Taking all values from the internet (and using lowball estimates) we could guesstimate the value of Dutch as a hole in the ground that could handle all the garbage that those warehouses could possibly generate.
1 Acre = 43,560 sqft
40 acres = 1.7 million sqft
at an average depth of 30 feet, the hole in the ground comes out to be a bit over 50 million cuft
compacted municipal waste is given as 20-25 pounds per cuft.
so we have 1,000 million pounds as capacity, or 500,000 tons
average cost to landfill municipal solid waste (MSW) is $53.72 per ton.
$25M. That is going to be a hard number to overcome for divers.
The quarry is in the dead center of a huge trucking operation. Backhauling MSW from some areas of the country could be stupidly lucrative...
You want a good alternative? Buy out the fish farm that keeps Willow Springs green. Home Page
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