Alec Pierce Scuba - Long Hose Good or Bad

[Jcp2]

In all fairness, a long hose wraps around the body 1 and 1/2 times, starting from the first stage at the back of the neck, under the right arm to the waist, up and across the chest, around the back of the neck again, to the front at the mouth. So from the right side, there are two loops of hose around the body.

 

[MaxBottomtime]

That is only one loop. Using your example, a standard reg wraps around your body as well since it comes from behind your head, then crosses your shoulder as is goes to the front of your mouth.

 

[Outbound]

I think I can settle this issue once and for all.

All new divers should use a BPW, very firm jet-style paddle fins (in black!), canister light, long hose primary and necklace'd secondary. Don't ever kneel on the bottom. Failure to comply with these standards will get you ridiculed, followed by a long lecture on why this gear setup is superior. Showing up a dive sight as a new diver in this gear will also get you ridiculed.

 

[MichaelMc]

A long hose is good for diver in control of himself, it only gives leverage to a diver that is near or in panic. This is a point that long hose divers who have buddies that are well trained loose sight of because they no longer have the issue.

Yes, a long hose gives scope for a panicked diver to run. But one can also skip the extra step of deploying all of it, grab their BC/strap to start, or reel them back in. You have options. And that would be part of a good long/medium hose pro/con discussion. Which Alec did not have.

And yes, my understanding of those options is academic, or limited to pool demonstrations with our (scientific) students. As I've had well trained buddies. But not all the students that start our pool sessions turn out to be well trained or relaxed.

 

[kelemvor]

That is only one loop. Using your example, a standard reg wraps around your body as well since it comes from behind your head, then crosses your shoulder as is goes to the front of your mouth.

Only for those little 8' hoses people used "back in the day". These days, any competent diver will carry a 100' long hose for increased safety. Plus the 100' hoses are usually yellow.. so, there ya go. The secondary should be an air2 and the tertiary can be on a 25' or 50' hose depending on the situation.

 

[pauldw]

Only for those little 8' hoses people used "back in the day". These days, any competent diver will carry a 100' long hose for increased safety. Plus the 100' hoses are usually yellow.. so, there ya go. The secondary should be an air2 and the tertiary can be on a 25' or 50' hose depending on the situation.

The 100 foot hose is only appropriate if the other diver is dressed in orange, since then they can function as a SMB.

Now, having counted loops on a diver, I'm going to go count angels on the head of a pin.

 

[rhwestfall]

Hey Bob...

Alec is my neighbour...well...local area neighbour...I see him in the post office semi-regularly...

You have to remember where his head's at...Mike Nelson...''Long may he reign''...

The Amish don't live an 1800's era life-style because they have to...but because they like it...

Having said that...you could strangle a diver just as easy with at double hose regulator as you could with ''any'' single configuration...long hose or otherwise...

W.W...

I interface a significant amount of time with the Amish - good folk. At no point in time have they ever said I was wrong to follow my beliefs and supported it by inaccurate statements of my beliefs, not strayed from truth to chastise my beliefs, or, the clincher here, used their "standing" to influence others that their way is the only way... As long as I don't bother them on Sunday, we have gotten along very well... Lets not compare to the Amish...

YMMV

 

[Magnus Lundstedt]

Dude. Please.

Alec was almost 100% spot on. Normal divers are who look at his usually very helpful channel (normal divers also look at the Lake Hickory Scuba channel, the other very helpful channel on YouTube; it's a shame there aren't more), and normal divers use a yellow octopus. He stated that using a standard configuration is safer than not doing so, which is usually true (and, in fact is the mantra of tec divers, who just use a different standard). Again, yellow octopus is the standard config. He's not aiming at tec divers, but at rec divers. Calling it "Tech Tips" means it's about the equipment normal divers use, as opposed to fish ID or some such thing, not that it's somehow about tec diving. He should have been more accurate in describing long hose use, but his ultimate point was solid. Do you see dive shops renting gear in other configurations? Not very often, because it would be begging for a very well deserved lawsuit when someone gets hurt.

By the way, calling him a doper, or incoherent, or other things, isn't a logical argument. Nor is saying things like that everyone has a yellow octopus only because that's what's sold--you can just put a period at "octopus," as the next phrase is just pointless. He's a bit goofy, but that's OK.

On another note, I thank the people who responded to my questions about the rationale for primary donate. However, most of those reasons had to do with mixed gases, knobs rolling on ceilings, twin tank configurations, and so forth. None of that has anything at all to do with normal divers. So, while tec gear configuration might be good for the very few, most of those rationales don't apply to rec diving. Just the "let's be nice and give people a clean reg" type of rationale applies.

I am, in my opinion, a normal diver, a normal rec diver. I learned primary donate in my OW course (SSI) and i feel it is the easy way to do it since that is what I learned. I have heard many arguments one way or the other, but i do not think it is more safe to do either way.

The argument for that I heard is that I know it is working and if my backup is not working I have more time to sort things out than if I give a not working reg to someone already out of air.

There are some normal divers who use a air2 or simular, they also use primary donate.

As I understand it, primary donate always work, I have no knowledge of any situation you cannot use primary donate but in some cases it does not work well with secondary donate.

Since i use primary donate i prefer to have a longer hose on my primary than on my secondary, And i have yet not heard any reoson against using a longer hose on the regulator you donate than on the one you keep.

When i see new divers get cources at my club (I did my training elswhere), they learn primary donate, and long hose from start, they are normal divers too. Normal divers can be so many things, and what they learn can also be different things, and the reason one learned one way and another learned different does not mean that one of them must be wrong. There are different cultures and different ways to learn. Some learn the PADI/SSI comersial way, some learn the club way, some national clubs have different standards from what PADI/SSI have, some clubs do deco in recreational diving, others do not, some organisations have different way and models of learning. It does not make one right and the other one wrong, it just makes them different. I have for example guided club divers from GB and Italy, they did thing different from what I have learned, it does not make them wrong, just different from what I do, and still we are all normal recreational divers.

 

[Magnus Lundstedt]

I'm sorry, but when it comes to economic policy, people should listen to a nobel prize winning economist and not listen to me.

There is no Nobel prize in economics!

 

[M-Cameron]

There is no Nobel prize in economics!

You sure?
Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences - Wikipedia