Will Air Integration in dive computers replace the SPG?

[DevonDiver]

So it's not about AI, it's about providing the computer with enough information to keep some divers out of trouble. It is exactly what worries me. Divers who are not really prepared to dive the dives they do, who have to rely on some electronics to guide them trough the dive. In my opinion that's not ok. As long as you're in control I could not care less if you use AI, SPG or none at all.

I think this is why some recreational divers assume that AI must be a boon to technical divers.

AI might look like a tool that might make their progress into advanced diving less scary, less challenging and more accessible. A crutch to compensate for the necessary skills, knowledge and experience. A symptom of quick fix, insta-gratification culture.

Amateurs pay for experts to guide them up Everest. People can use GPS to cross deserts. .... and maybe soon, we can scrub technical diving training, because there'll be dive computers that do it all for you..

Innovation? How about a computer that calculates and controls your BCD LPI to ensure perfect neutral buoyancy at all times? Just add a DPV and a AI 'tech' computer.... and the Andrea Doria is just a few credit card swipes away for any zero-to-hero that wants a glory trip...

Perhaps the cave sites will stop checking c-cards and start checking computer specs instead.. LOL

 

[kelemvor]

Ah, so loosing the hose would cost me € 200,- extra? Quite some innovation I must say.

Innovative != cheaper. Self driving cares were an innovation on manual drive cars. They cost more, too.

 

[Bennno]

"Wireless" Air Integration was around 20 years ago? I thought I read somewhere it was first introduced around 2004-2005. Obviously any new technology is going to take some time to be adopted by other manufactures. Not to mention, prove its worth to those who didn't trust the technology and finally come down in price.


How long did it take for our internet connections to go from dial up to wifi? Quite some time despite a much higher demand for wireless internet compared to dive gear, which some would argue is nothing more than a hobby.

You cannot be serious about this. Are you telling me that were you live it took 20 years for wireless internet to catch on? You, as well as Stuart keep coming up with false analogies and fantasy problems that AI supposedly solves. Now it turns out you haven't even looked up how long AI has been around, even though I and other people have stated it in the thread over and over again. Are you just trolling?

The old POS Aladin Air X WIRELESS AI computer came out in the mid 90s. Please just use google before you make up new 'theories'. The Vytec came years later.

The crappy Air X does the exact same stuff the 'newer' once do. EXACTLY THE SAME functions and almost exaxtly the same size, there have not been any new features in the last 20 years and it has hardly gotten any cheaper.

Internet has gotten cheaper and better, TV sets have gotten cheaper and better, phones have gotten cheaper and better, tons of things have gotten cheaper and better. AI has not gotten any better, it's not cheaper, it's not smaller, no new functions, there is nothing.

 

[kelemvor]

....and for how long can you keep calling it an innovation?

1995 - 1st AI (Suunto Eon)
2001 - 1st WAI (Suunto Vyper)

It's now 2016...

Good point. However the topic at hand wasn't really if ai was innovative. The topic at hand is whether or not ai will relegate the analog spg into something you examine at the history of diving museum or read about in the vintage forum.

 

[Bennno]

How about a computer that calculates and controls your BCD LPI to ensure perfect neutral buoyancy at all times?

This was an actual product years ago.

 

[agilis]

So, basically, you didn't use to plan your dives. And you think that way of diving applies to a conversation about AI....?



Or, you could just put a transmitter on the right post of your backmount doubles and use it as an SPG. If nothing goes wrong, it's more convenient to check your pressure. If you end up shutting down the left post for some reason, then you still have an SPG.

You know, in case you have WAI for Rec diving anyway and you want to use it on your Tech rig, too.

And leave mechanical SPGs on all your other cylinders.

So, basically, you didn't use to plan your dives. And you think that way of diving applies to a conversation about AI....?



Or, you could just put a transmitter on the right post of your backmount doubles and use it as an SPG. If nothing goes wrong, it's more convenient to check your pressure. If you end up shutting down the left post for some reason, then you still have an SPG.

You know, in case you have WAI for Rec diving anyway and you want to use it on your Tech rig, too.

And leave mechanical SPGs on all your other cylinders.

"And leave mechanical SPGs on all your other cylinders"?

This and a few other posts are confusing. I get the sense that some people have a dedicated regulator for every tank, or else don't understand that a mechanical SPG attaches to the first stage of the regulator, not to the tank.

 

[boulderjohn]

"And leave mechanical SPGs on all your other cylinders"?
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Some wireless AIs can read multiple transmitters. I don't think this is what he had in mind, but they do exist.​

 

[Diving Dubai]

I think this is why some recreational divers assume that AI must be a boon to technical divers.

AI might look like a tool that might make their progress into advanced diving less scary, less challenging and more accessible. A crutch to compensate for the necessary skills, knowledge and experience. A symptom of quick fix, insta-gratification culture.

Amateurs pay for experts to guide them up Everest. People can use GPS to cross deserts. .... and maybe soon, we can scrub technical diving training, because there'll be dive computers that do it all for you..

Innovation? How about a computer that calculates and controls your BCD LPI to ensure perfect neutral buoyancy at all times? Just add a DPV and a AI 'tech' computer.... and the Andrea Doria is just a few credit card swipes away for any zero-to-hero that wants a glory trip...

Perhaps the cave sites will stop checking c-cards and start checking computer specs instead.. LOL

I do take your point. I hate the word crutch - I find it mildly abusive. but anyway.

I see the sarcasm don't worry. A computer shouldn't dive for you, heck I've been critical of the kick-starter ideas to make an automated BCD, but like a seat belt, its there to protect you if you make a mistake but doesn't drive the car for you.

I guess AI is the first sensor, there could be others in the future.

But then bear this in mind. As you progress and get more skills you down grade your computer to one free of the bangs and whistles. Tech diving will always be there for those who want to do it for what ever reason and that have the mindset, they currently don't need the bangs and whistles, but if a comp was there to back you up with your deco calcs, not to it for you as there is no replacement for planning, but a helping hand so to speak, then some techs may adopt it.

I don't see AI etc as something that needs to be forced onto technical divers - heck they are always buying other kit anyway so have no money But I would hope that developments made in the rec world might be of interest in the Tech

 

[The Chairman]

but not one serious response to my post about future uses and functionality for tech AI.

Again, this is the BASIC Scuba Discussions Forum. You don't have to FIGJAM every thread about AI. If you want to talk Tech diving, do it in one of the Tech Diving Forums. We're talking OW here. Basic. Not Tech. Not even Advanced. Get it?

Personally, I think Luddite describes you on this. I don't know why you're afraid of AI. You've yet to come up with one accident, injury or death that has been ascribed to it, so all this nonsense about it being written in blood is nothing but abject paranoia about technology you don't like or trust. That's the definition of being a Luddite. This "You're all gonna die!" crap gets old.

 

[The Chairman]

Some wireless AIs can read multiple transmitters. I don't think this is what he had in mind, but they do exist.​

My Oceanic does. I understand that some of the new Suuntos do as well.