Innovation in diving

[nimoh]

The other thing you're CLEARLY not grasping is what we're not believing you about. We believe that if your max depth was 1m, you could dive to your heart's conent without a computer. Others on this thread have stated lack of belief of the profile of the cave system you're discussing. Your lack of (inability to) producing the name is what is causing people here to believe your lack of certification/experience.

I don't doubt that the cave profile exists. Mexico has a lot of caves with profiles that don't exceed an average depth of 12m. I wouldn't dive them without a depth gauge...I wouldn't dive at all without a depth gauge (except in a pool). However at the same time I don't understand the reluctance to name the cave.

One VERY ironic note: your signature states "skill and experience are not an acceptable substitute for proper equipment." That is absolutely hilarious, IMHO, since you are claiming that your skill and experience are substitutes for proper equipment.....with a depth gauge/timer of some sort being proper equipment.

nice catch, that is funny

 

[gianaameri]

I agree wholeheartedly and completely. I just have a concern over him not taking a bottom timer and insisting he doesn't need one.

-Adrian

I forgot the frigging things and decided to go diving anyway doing a profile which did not require a Dive Computer/Bottom Timer because it would be impossible to get me in a deco situation doing that profile.

First time I forget the frigging things and had I not forgotten them it would have never crossed my mind to dive without the frigging things.

The frigging things for me are Uwatec 330 as primary and OSTC 2N as back-up.

To this moment, and after all these discussions, I still have not been able to concoct in my mind and no esteemed "expert" has been able to tell me exactly what emergency I could have found myself into in that dive that a Dive Computer/Bottom Timer - IN THAT DIVE PROFILE/RUN - could have saved my life.

 

[Omisson]

Oh good grief. You don't need a computer. I've never used a computer EVER in cave diving. Not once. Deep caves, long cave, "yo-yo" caves, traverses, etc. Not once. Depth gauge and a watch is all you need.

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And why are you diving Indian as an apprentice? Its 150' deep right off the bat.

1). As an apprentice you can dive one level above your training with a certified cave instructor... I have dove with several.


2). HAVE YOU READ THIS THREAD?!?!? The claim was diving a 600 meter PENETRATION WITHOUT A WATCH, DEPTH GAUGE OR COMPUTER.

At least read the thread before dropping in your two cents.

 

[PfcAJ]

I read the part where you seem to think a computer is needed for cave diving. Its not. I do think some sort of timing + depth monitoring device is needed, however.

The requirements are full cave and 100 full cave dives. You have neither.

 

[gianaameri]

1). As an apprentice you can dive one level above your training with a certified cave instructor... I have dove with several.

Now, that is a BAD IDEA!

Don't do a dive that you cannot complete "solo."

 

[alewar]

Was this the cave in question?

Really cool video (of the caves I dive)

 

[PfcAJ]

Omission, I don't know what agency you're certified through, but with NSS, you're still limited to 130ft, and Indian surpasses that.

The entire thing is wrong.

 

[nimoh]

1). As an apprentice you can dive one level above your training with a certified cave instructor... I have dove with several.

Now, that is a BAD IDEA!

Don't do a dive that you cannot complete "solo."

How could you ever get cave certified if you can't go into a cave (with an instructor) before you are certified?

 

[gianaameri]

How could you ever get cave certified if you can't go into a cave (with an instructor) before you are certified?

Training usually occurs at very limited penetrations following drills in the dry and theory.

Personally, I never went beyond my personal comfort level during courses (i.e. at no point in time I put myself in a situation where had the instructor dropped dead I would have not been able to complete the dive "solo").

A good instructor won't put you in that situation either (although he will push your limits, physical and especially mental).

 

[TONY CHANEY]

Seems like a heck of a lot of equipment: rebreather, two side mount tanks, EN 32 and a DPV for a cave system that is not deep enough to even to go into deco. Who in the heck brings that much equipment to a cave system that is only 18 meters deep? Really, EN 32 for a 18 meter max depth dive? So what was your orignal dive plan...a 7 mile push?

Please post the name of the cave and prove me wrong. I'll be the first to say that I was wrong.