Master Diver Certification

[Simon-]

As the OP likes to quote things, whether from Wiki or PADI etc, let's stick absolute definitions.

Recreational Dive

No stop diving with air or enriched air to a maximum depth of 40m and during penetration dives, within the natural light zone and no more than a total linear distance of 40m from the surface.

Technical Dive

Excluding commercial or scientific diving, exceeding the recreational limits, in either terms of depth or time, where immediate ascent to the surface is not possible.


There is a very apt sentence in the PADI Tec Deep manual which the OP needs to read and understand, "in technical diving, even if you do everything right, there is still a higher inherent potential for an accident leading to permanent injury or death"


Cetus, look at your dive plan and profile again. It was not a recreational dive. It was a technical dive, which neither of you were qualified or trained to do.

 

[syntaxerrorsix]

We're all students, 42 years of diving and I'm still learning. The OP is learning the same way thousands of divers did, by diving. I haven't got any deco certs. When I learned deco there was no nitrox, mixed gas wasn't used for sport diving and there were no certs. So I've been happily violating standards for some 30 years now. Living in an area where I could access 200FSW from a shore diving helped a lot.

If you had demonstrated some of the foolishness and improper procedures post by the OP I would be telling you the exact same thing. It's already been stated that he put his daughter in harms way and we have instructors with the knowledge to teach him proper technique. You're simply making a case for your own lack of formal training and what happened 30 years ago is irrelevant.

 

[onwardsupwards]

Trying not to sound too harsh but the dive as described, with the whole mix and match deco and gas thing sounds like a cluster. 40% for micro bubbles? Confidence in ones ability is to be commended but intransigence in the face of good advice just seems foolish. GUE has got a mention a few times but I doubt that many GUE trained people would think that this dive was a good idea in either planning or execution. Put your skills you have to good use and get the training.

Cheers

 

[AfterDark]

If you had demonstrated some of the foolishness and improper procedures post by the OP I would be telling you the exact same thing. It's already been stated that he put his daughter in harms way and we have instructors with the knowledge to teach him proper technique. You're simply making a case for your own lack of formal training and what happened 30 years ago is irrelevant.

If I told you some of the things I've done and how I did 'em you'd probably be to stunned to post. I'm not at ease with a young kid being exposed to large amounts of N absorbed in their bodies, she's not my kid so it's not my business. That's exactly correct I lack formal training for most of what I've done and still do today because the formal training wasn't available when I started diving. I just took AWO last year after 41 years of diving because the dive OP owners that took me out in the past have mostly all retired and the new ones are...well...like you. That was $300.00 dollars I shouldn't have had to spend.

 

[BDSC]

I just took AWO last year after 41 years of diving because the dive OP owners that took me out in the past have mostly all retired and the new ones are...well...like you. That was $300.00 dollars I shouldn't have had to spend.

Pretty much the same thing happened with me. Did the OW class and just started diving. Then I was told I needed to take the AOW class or I would run into dive ops that wouldn't take you out unless you had it. So I took it even though I had done all the required dives a number of times. That's been it for me as well as most of the folks I dive with. We do get into some deco situations off the coast of NC but not 23 minutes worth. Sometimes it's none and sometimes it may be anywhere from 5 to 10 minutes max.

 

[theduckguru]

Since PADI itself has changed these definitions over the years, they are not absolute.

As the OP likes to quote things, whether from Wiki or PADI etc, let's stick absolute definitions.

Recreational Dive

No stop diving with air or enriched air to a maximum depth of 40m and during penetration dives, within the natural light zone and no more than a total linear distance of 40m from the surface.

Technical Dive

Excluding commercial or scientific diving, exceeding the recreational limits, in either terms of depth or time, where immediate ascent to the surface is not possible.


There is a very apt sentence in the PADI Tec Deep manual which the OP needs to read and understand, "in technical diving, even if you do everything right, there is still a higher inherent potential for an accident leading to permanent injury or death"


Cetus, look at your dive plan and profile again. It was not a recreational dive. It was a technical dive, which neither of you were qualified or trained to do.

 

[fnfalman]

She was younger and the Dutch government actually took custody of her to stop it.

flots.

Good thing that Cetus's kid is diving in America, huh?

 

[Simon-]

Since PADI itself has changed these definitions over the years, they are not absolute.

They are absolute as in, these are the current definitions. When they are revised, they won't be. Absolutely.

 

[lv2dive]

Look, if you don't want to listen to any of us, please talk to your GUE instructor-mentor. I guarantee that s/he will tell you that dive was dangerous for both of you.
- it was a decompression dive in the technical sense of the word
- at her age, your daughter should be no where near a dive like that, regardless of training
- neither of you were trained for it
- your continued insistence that what you did was just fine, in the face of so much concern, shows an unwillingness to look at yourself objectively.

I hope you move forward with your training and let us know how it goes. If you do, I believe you will be surprised when you come back and read this thread, at how differently you look at things.

Btw-and I recognize this is picking a nit- but it goes to the overall issue at play here... I personally wouldn't call my setup "GUE-compliant" with a 28% and 40% mix. IJS

 

[dadediver]

And the US Coast Guard has no jurisdiction around the world. Only in US waters. Or whatever they say are US waters at the time depending on their mood. But I can safely say a place like the Indian Ocean is a flip em the bird zone and tell em to piss off.

The USCG does have jurisdictioin around the world. They can board any US ship, ANY where in the world. They actually have USCG on the US Navy ship just for boardings. They board foriegn vessels outside of territortial waters and they board even within territortial waters of certian nations too.

And then you spew that you can safely say that a place like the Indian Ocean is a flip em the bird zone and tell em to piss off? There are quiet a few Coasties in the Middle East and trust me that this just doesnt happen, especially in the Middle East.