Using a Glock to discourage sharks?

[temet vince]

You should read the articles about all the test they have put them through. They have frozen them in mud in sub zero temperatures for extended periods of time and thawed them out to shoot flawlesly. They also have had reports where they were dropped in salt water for months before being found and cleaned up and able to fire flawlessly. They are an amazing weapon. Here (And where I used to LEO at they would not allow 1911s though because they had to be cocked in order to fire. They deemed them a liability to carry on patrol sadly.)

Yes, the Glocks are amazingly reliable!

Having the 1911 cocked while carrying is one of the reasons I like them. The first trigger pull is the same as the 2nd. It is unfortunate that your old job wouldn't allow them; it seems some people are caught up in old ways and myths regardless of how much technology, safety, and the world itself changes

The other reason I like them is I have small hands, and the glocks double stack magazine is just HUGE! lol

fire_diver:
I think your understanding of physics is a little low to say that us debating the physics of this is humorous.

For one, mythbusters is a joke by all scientific standards, and for two... the episode you are referring to was firing shots above the water into the water, am I correct? Obviously the water tension from firing out of the water into the water would quickly destroy or impair any bullet, especially high powered ones. That has nothing to do with firing a gun underwater.

 

[Fish in a Barrel]

the episode you are referring to was firing shots above the water into the water, am I correct?

No, they've done episodes with guns (including an M1 Garand) completely submerged. Underwater rifle ranges can be measured in inches. This shouldn't be all that surprising if you've studied terminal ballistics. From what I've read, the larger length/diameter ratio of rifle bullets makes them under-stabilized in anything thicker than air, and they tend to disintegrate violently once they start to yaw. That's why they leave such a massive wound channel relative to pistol bullets.

I've been known to do physics experiments with firearms, but firing one under water just sounds insane. My gut feeling was exactly what the Glock FAQ described: a burst chamber and permanent deafness.

 

[fnfalman]

A vintaged revolver would be DIR approved. Minimalist AND black.

 

[Gilldiver]

Well, a bullet will not be all that effective underwater, just no stopping power. But perhaps this is time to describe how a Bang Stick worked.

A Bang Stick is just a cylinder that holds a cartridge and had a pressure activated firing pin. You pulled the safety pin and hit the shark and it went off. The bullet didn't do the damage, the expanding gasses did. That is why the bullet or shot shell Bang Sticks were quickly replaced by the CO2 version. 25 to 50 grams of CO2 were much more effective than a 45, 410, or 12 gauge ever was. Also, a CO2 cartridge going off didn't hurt your ears much.

At one time we did a test of all the old Bang Stick we could find:

A 45 hurt your ears pretty good
A 410 really hurt your ears
A 12 gauge – Don’t ever, ever do that again……..

But I’ll take a Kimber Stainless 1911A1 in a modified skeleton holster on my waist band right next to my shears.

 

[temet vince]

No, they've done episodes with guns (including an M1 Garand) completely submerged. Underwater rifle ranges can be measured in inches. This shouldn't be all that surprising if you've studied terminal ballistics. From what I've read, the larger length/diameter ratio of rifle bullets makes them under-stabilized in anything thicker than air, and they tend to disintegrate violently once they start to yaw. That's why they leave such a massive wound channel relative to pistol bullets.

I've been known to do physics experiments with firearms, but firing one under water just sounds insane. My gut feeling was exactly what the Glock FAQ described: a burst chamber and permanent deafness.

Hmm. Guess I should watch more mythbusters. Besides, that chick is really hot.

I'm assuming that's why Glock is using subsonic ammunition.

 

[Rich Keller]

From the Glock website:


“The marinized Glock 17 is primarily for use by various Special Warfare units operating in aquatic environments. At least one specialized Scuba diving group regularly uses G17's to dispatch sharks where they dive. The Glock 17 using NATO specification ball ammunition will completely penetrate a minimum of one 1/2" pine board at a distance of ten feet from the muzzle when fired underwater.
Trained personnel who use Glocks underwater know they must obey several rules:
1) use only a Glock Model 17 with amphibious spring cups (reliability issue);
2) use only 9mm FMJ subsonic, sealed primer ammo;
3) completely immerse the pistol and get *all* the air out of the barrel;
4) wear protective ear plugs, gloves, wet suit, face mask, etc.;
5) do not fire near solid objects or in enclosed spaces to prevent return
concussion.”

Anyone try this?

I have never even considered using a side arm underwater! I know from using explosives underwater that the noise will attract more sharks.

 

[fnfalman]

Need The Wasp.

YouTube - WASP Injection Knife vs. Watermelon

 

[Max Speed]

I'd like to see what an underwater Glock toter would do with 40 or more sharks around .

Reload?

 

[lulubelle]

Reload?

I sent someone some Sand Tiger Teeth and suggested that he plant a few of them in the local quarry out in the flatlands. Would be interesting to see who pulls out their Glocks when they find them.

 

[Kiwi303]

I thought I saw a couple of years ago that scientists were developing an anti-shark spray, which I assume would have to be waterproof to be useful. Did anything ever come of that?

They've had that since WW2... basicly OXO cubes of distilled rotten meat which dissolve in the water slowly and taint the water around you with the flavour and aroma of two week old dead horse. Sharks are apex predators and like fresh meat, they stay away from rotten stuff, so all you have to do is pretend to be too far gone and the sharks leave you alone to be devoured by the crabs and other scavengers.