Bahamas: Missing Female Diver

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My first question would center on how someone in the care of a private DM ended up 20' below her to begin with.

I thought about that too. I have never been tasked as an underwater caretaker, my question to the professionals; "Is it unreasonable that a DM caring for a diver looks away from their charge long enough (say 30 seconds?) for them to get 7m below you?"

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Richard
 
on signals her to ascend to her own depth. She is ignored. After further attempts to attract Mrs Wood's attention fail, the instructor descends and again communicates the need to ascend. At this stage Mrs. Wood proceeds to physically push instructor 3. away.

That would have been a great time to dich the victim's weights, wave goodbye and follow the ascent to the surface.

Terry
 
About 18-20 mins into the dive, instructor 3, who is at an approximate depth of 60', sees Mrs. Wood at the considerably lower depth of 80'. She taps on her tanks and upon achieving Mrs Wood's attention signals her to ascend to her own depth. She is ignored. After further attempts to attract Mrs Wood's attention fail, the instructor descends and again communicates the need to ascend. At this stage Mrs. Wood proceeds to physically push instructor 3. away. Left with little choice but to try to over power Mrs. Woods, 3. starts to inflate her BCD. In response, Mrs. Wood starts to vent air from the BC via the shoulder dump valve. This altercation continues to an approximate depth of 140' at which point 3. decides to break contact due to the obvious ineffectiveness of her input and safety concerns at the depth being in excess of RDP's. With body language exhibiting anger and aggression, Mrs Wood descents out of sight, still dumping air from the shoulder valve as she goes..

Now, you see, to me this report appears "padded" - I talk from over 30 years in the commercial dive business where I have seen my fair share of "incidents", and honestly, I have a few issues with some of the comments which seem to me, highly unlikely responses from a diver suffering from narcosis.

Nowhere in any post do we read the diver was struggeling or under extreme stress, actually from all reports I read here nowhere is it reported she was in any way out of control, (this is easy to see in any diver) hense we can assume narcosis is certainly a factor.

Now, in my opinion, a diver suffering high levels of stress will / may fight off assistance, however not a diver suffering only the effects of narcosis - hense if we assume the diver was suffering narcosis I think its highly unlikely they would (a) physically push assistance away (b) have the presence of mind to vent the BC continually - this "venting" is in my opinion not a normal reaction for any diver, certainly not one suffering from narcosis or even stress.

The part about body language and continual venting etc, - well, I have to ask, what was the aggressive body language? - a diver suffering narcosis is very unlikely to exhibit aggression / anger - again its not a natural reaction - a diver stressed beyond control yes, but then they would not have full control of the equipment (continued venting) as she appeared to have.

I think the rest of the report makes sense.

Please, Dantheengineer, understand, I mean no offence, the parts I outline simply dont gel in my water logged brain, I assume you just recalled it as you heard it, thats fine and I appreciate it, however in my humble opinion the story is getting somewhat embellished as it gos along.
 
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My first question would center on how someone in the care of a private DM ended up 20' below her to begin with.

I was thinking the same thing but, if intentional, I can see how that could happen. Short of NEVER taking ones eyes off this diver, it could happen pretty quick.
 
I thought about that too. I have never been tasked as an underwater caretaker, my question to the professionals; "Is it unreasonable that a DM caring for a diver looks away from their charge long enough (say 30 seconds?) for them to get 7m below you?"

Yes it is unreasonable. Someone who is paying for a personal DM is implicitly indicating that they are not qualified to dive without a highly qualified buddy.

In this case, the buddy should never be much farther away than grabbing distance, and the customer should never be out of sight.

Terry
 
I was thinking the same thing but, if intentional, I can see how that could happen. Short of NEVER taking ones eyes off this diver, it could happen pretty quick.

If it was intentional, then that lends credibility to the diver ignoring/resisting the DM's attempt to get them to ascend.

If it was unintentional descent, it would seem to indicate inattentiveness or negligence on part of the DM.
 
That would have been a great time to dich the victim's weights, wave goodbye and follow the ascent to the surface.

Terry

And then get sued by the victim's family if she dies from a lung over-expansion injury on her rapid trip to the surface, or get sued by the victim and/or family if she survived but ended up crippled from DCS.

Yes, the victim is tragically dead from this incident, and at this moment in time we are not exactly sure what more the DM could have potentially done to prevent her heading into the abyss from the info at hand (other than not letting her get further than a grab away in the first place) BUT if she had removed the victim's weights and launched her like a Polaris missile, then she is directly responsible for what happened to her and knowing what the world is like these days, even though it would have been done with the right intentions (getting the woman to the surface), a lawsuit would surely have been winging its way to her shortly afterwards.

Getting hold of a diver and controlling their ascent is one thing, removing their weights and launching them to the surface (especially from 140+ feet) is another altogether.

JMO

Mark
 
I was thinking the same thing but, if intentional, I can see how that could happen. Short of NEVER taking ones eyes off this diver, it could happen pretty quick.

One of the big "take away" points in the SSI DiveCon program (and I would assume PADI DM) is that a professional cert means you're diving for someone else, not you.

This means that being hired as an individual diver's "buddy" is actually a job and from the time the diver leaves the boat until he/she returns, it's your job to make sure that nothing bad happens. This requires that you know where the diver is at all times.

Terry
 
Pull her (or their) weights then straddle the tank and control the ascent. They can't push you away with you behind them and you have control. I learned this in rescue diver class, so should have the DM. As a Dm they should usually be slightly over weighted to be sure they can handle an out of control ascent on the part of a member of their party.
 
That would have been a great time to dich the victim's weights, wave goodbye and follow the ascent to the surface.

Terry

Pull her (or their) weights then straddle the tank and control the ascent. They can't push you away with you behind them and you have control. I learned this in rescue diver class, so should have the DM. As a Dm they should usually be slightly over weighted to be sure they can handle an out of control ascent on the part of a member of their party.
A better action, I think. But that was a basic part of my Rescue training - dumping their weights if needed and getting behind for better control. I presume any DM knows this too?
 
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