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there are several problems with the use of ethanol as an alternative fuel. First, it is costly to produce and use. in the last decade or so, the cost has dropped from $3.60/gallon to $1.27/gallon. There are also costs associated with modifying vehicles to use methanol or gasohol, but these costs vary, depending on the number of vehicles produced.

Another problem is that ethanol has a smaller energy density than gasoline. It takes about 1.5 times more ethanol than gasoline to travel the same distance. However, with new technologies and dedicated ethanol-engines, this is expected to drop to 1.25 times.

An important consideration with ethanol is that it requires vast amounts of land to grow the crops needed to generate fuel. The process for conversion of crops to ethanol is relatively inefficient because of the large water content of the plant material. There is legitimate concern that using land for ethanol production will compete directly with food production.

Another problem is that ethanol burning may increase emission of certain types of pollutants. Like any combustion process, some of the ethanol fuel would come out the tailpipe unburned. This is not a major problem since ethanol emissions are relatively non-toxic. However, some of the ethanol will be only partially oxidized and emitted as acetylaldehyde, which reacts in air to eventually contribute to the formation of ozone. Current research is investigating means to reduce acetylaldehyde emissions by decreasing the engine warm-up period.
Finally, ethanol production, like all processes, generates waste products that must be disposed. The waste product from ethanol production, called swill, can be used as a soil conditioner on land, but is extremely toxic to aquatic life.

corn production causes more soil erosion than any other single crop grown in the nation. Corn uses more herbicides and pesticides than any other crop grown in the nation, and these pesticides are causing major problems in polluting our streams and lakes. Seventy percent of the nitrogen delivered to the Gulf came from above the confluence of the Ohio and Mississippi rivers. In converting coal, if it was done soundly, it would reduce the amount of environmental pollutants by about 10-fold.

in order to produce enough corn or grain or sugar cane to meet the demands of the ethanol industry, farmers may have to restrict how much of their crop will be available for other uses. This often means higher prices for animal feed, flour, corn, grains and many products derived from those raw materials. Even if all the available farmland in the United States were converted to corn fields for ethanol production, it still would only meet a small percentage of the country's total energy needs. Corn production can be very labor intensive, and the corn crops could still be vulnerable to bad weather, droughts or insect damage.

politicians are also lying to the american people by telling them that there is not that much oil here in the states to make a difference. The oil in North Dakota alone holds over 200 billion barrels of oil, which would increase our oil reserves by over ten times. That is not including all of the other states including offshore drilling that we can do.

some politicians would also tell you that drilling now would not make a difference for another 5 too 10 years. Well that was the same rhetoric that was spewed by Bill Clinton back in the 90s' and now over those ten years later we are feeling the pain at the pump for not drilling back then. That is exactly why we need to drill now, if those "alternative fuels" are still not available in the next ten years then we MUST have affordable fuel or everything stops. Food prices are going up because of the shipping, truckers are pulling out 2nd and 3rd mortgages on their houses or completely dropping out of the industry because it costs over $600 to fill their tanks. Flights to anywhere in the world including within the US are skyrocketing AND they are charging more just for the amount of luggage you have to support the rising costs. As another side note to the "alternative fuel" cars of the future, there is also the concern of the availability of the new cars and of the consumers wallet. When we come out with a new fuel source car there will be a mad rush to get those vehicles creating a waiting line. Then there are those that will not even be able to afford buying a new car even with a trade in value amount. Let's face it, new cars with new technology cost more because the development costs more, the costs wouldn't come down for years. It's time to stop saying that "alternative fuel is the solution" until you take all of these factors into account.
 
Making food into fuel is stupid. Driving an SUV is not worth human lives. We need to put our brains in gear here, oil is a finite entity. It is on the downhill side of the supply curve. We are using it faster than we ever have. If we continue we will run out in much less time than we have been enjoying it. If you step up drilling you use it faster. What is the wisdom in this? If we want to be strong we need to be the leaders in the next energy economy, not the past one. Efficiency will never be a bad choice. Ever.

Ethanol is just something to stave off the reality of the situation. We use too much energy. We must find better ways to get things done. We don't need to sacrifice poor starving people so that we can survive a collision with a 9000 lb gas hog. We need to lighten up our vehicles and use less energy.
 
politicians are also lying to the american people by telling them that there is not that much oil here in the states to make a difference. The oil in North Dakota alone holds over 200 billion barrels of oil, which would increase our oil reserves by over ten times. That is not including all of the other states including offshore drilling that we can do.
The USGS' mean estimate of the recoverable oil in the Bakken formation is 3.65 billion barrels. If there are 200 billion bbl, they are largely oil shales. Estimates of the cost of extracting oil from oil shale range from $20 to $95/bbl, depending on the quality of the reserves, and are roughly equivalent to recovering crude from oil sands. The point being, these reserves are not a solution to the high price of oil, but the high price of oil is a solution to a lack of supply. As we'd expect if we took Economics 101.

The problem is that when this ample new supply becomes available, the price of oil goes down. And then the oil companies get burned on the massive investment that recovery takes. I don't know which politicians are preventing drilling in North Dakota--although I have no problem believing they are--but I doubt oil companies are lining up to make an investment with a 10-year profit horizon premised on the idea that oil prices will be here or higher during that time.
Let's face it, new cars with new technology cost more because the development costs more, the costs wouldn't come down for years.
A Toyota Prius costs about $22k. That is a partial solution that is here today.
 
Don't start med school today; it'll take 5 -10 years before you start making any money!
Sheeesh!
Rick
This is good advice, actually. When you factor in the debt service and opportunity cost, it'll probably take a lot longer than 10 years before you make the investment pay off. Get an MBA.;)
 
WOW! I am impressed with all of you. The only thing I see burning now is the brain cells from all the posts :)
 
Jimlap,
Do the Nationalist Chinese call themselves that?
Did the U.S. recognize China? I am not praising the Chinese when I object to your calling them names, I object to the names. Your long list of things you do not like does not make it okay.
Yesterday, I asked a couple of 25 years old friends when they had last heard the phrase "Red Chinese"and the answer was never, they had no idea what I was talking about until I explained. Boris and Natasha aren't on TV anymore, either. By the way, back in the cold war days, the USSR got along with China about as well as we did. China, at that time, got along with no one. Your Ukraine friend comes from the former USSR, not China. They were not the same, nor even allies.

Rick,
Please cite your sources for the hundreds of years worth of oil. Aren't all the wildly divergent estimates just guesses? No one knows how long the oil will last. Jeesh, no one can even predict the numbers for escalating usage, nevermind what is hidden underground.

Everyone,
If you want to dive on rigs, go there. Florida's tourist industry is their main industry, of course, they will protect it. If Floridians do not think its worth the risk so you can tool around in your Hummers, they are entirely within their rights.
The world does not revolve around divers. Therefore, Captain, creating a cool dive site does not even belong on the list of pros and cons. I, for one, am not too sure about all the artificial reef creation in general. What gives us the right to dump our trash in the ocean? And what's going to happen to these created habitats when the price of metals gets high enough for people to steal it from below? There is a great deal of metal theft above ground already. I think that the oceans, and the whole planet, would be much better off if we would stop all the "improvements" and try to reduce our impact as much as possible. We can't use up the wind. We can't use up the sun, although we might be able to block it with our fossil fuel burning residues. We probably can do lots of damage with hydro power, large bodies of water do not seem to do well with human alteration [levees and jetties?]
NWbobber,
How can you be the only poster in 6 pages that mentions the "idea" of using less?
What are all you divers driving, and what are you doing to reduce your oil gluttony? Serious question: What does everybody drive and why?
 
In the end what needs to be conserved is people. No matter what what form of energy is used, the earth's population will reach a breaking point. If we awoke tomorrow and there were suddenly one billon less people energy prices would drop. Sooner or later as population density increases something will happen to bring nature back into balance. It might be a new deadly desease that spreads around the world and kills billions or a strike from an comet or necular war as nations compete for ever shrinking resources. It most likely will happen in the next thousand years if the population keeps expanding at it's present rate. Not a pretty thought but there is only so much land and resources available to humans. No amount of technology will solve the population problem, at least none that humans will willing accept.
 
No Captain, People are not all that important, and we surely don't need any more people. I agree, we will likely breed ourselves into extinction, and then the planet will recover. We are the dinasaurs of the 21st century because we are using more than our share of everything. Resources are not shrinking, we have become gluttons.
 
Great logic! Don't start med school today; it'll take 5 -10 years before you start making any money!
Sheeesh!
Rick

Wow Rick, way to take part of a quote out of context to comment on it. Of course medical school takes a long time, but at the end you get something out that lasts a lifetime. Knowlege. They are not even sure how much oil is off of the coast of Florida, or long it will last. Instead why not spend the same amount of time on finding an alternate source of fuel? Once we had the goal in mind, it only took us nine years to put a man on the moon. Surely scientists, if given enough incentive, can find a viable, cost efficient alternate fuel source before we would even start seeing the benefits of drilling off the coast of Florida.
 

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