Would you dive with someone who wouldn't share air if you were OOA?

[Nick_W]

Honestly PB, you really should take the link to your business off your signature if you're going to act like that. You're not doing your business any favors.

 

[shellbackdiver1]

Papa Bear
The power of the internet. This type of talk will surely hurt your internet business that you are advertising. I bet there are people right now investigating any professional scuba certs that you may have. If it is proven that you do infact have some surely your responses here will be reported. You may not be wrong in what you say but you have only 30bar at 30meters....its close to being wrong/not right.

 

[TheWetRookie]

Congratulations! PB you are the first and only member to make my "ignore list"

But you will miss all the entertainment

 

[jimdiverman]

If I see a solo diver swimming toward me at full speed, how will I know if he's just OOA, or if it isn't one of Dr. Evil's evil henchmen swimming toward me to attack me with a "LASER"?

 

[kiltdiver]

I tell people this: I will be responsible and mature and make sure to always have enough air to get both of us out alive. But if you aren't that responsible or mature and need to use some of mine, you are paying for my next fill, and I reserve the right to give you grief over it for the next two years.

Fair enough, right?

i agree. but i think my next fill is going to be trimix. (well as long as they are paying)

 

[Thalassamania]

No big deal! Ever have a roll off? You learn as a diver to deal with it! I learned to dive that way, go ahead make my dive!

I will render aid if it is possible and safe, because it is my air and life!

I will render aid and air if it is within my training to do so, because it is my air and life!

I will render aid if it is possible if it does not put a third party at risk, because it is my air and I am the one who decides based on my assessment that it will not hurt a third party or myself.

I will render aid if it is possible and safe to do so under the existing circumstances without risking more lives.

I will dive with you if you have DAN insurance and do not put a third party or myself in jeopardy because of poor judgment, Equipment failure, or Panic.

I will dive with you if you understand your responsibilities while underwater to your own safety and that of others.

With the understanding of these rules I will, if your buddy, do whatever possible to within safe boundaries to get you back to the surface or to the starting point of the dive.

If you are not up to the same, then I will not be associated with you in the water environment as a buddy or any other presumed alliance.

At the end of the day I would want my buddy to go home, if I couldn't, but because it is my air I will make sure I can!

I will render aid under any circumstances because it is my duty first a a fellow human being and second as an Instructor to do so, regardless of if it is possible and safe (after all, nothing is safe), because it is my karma!

I will render aid and air at any time required because at my level of training, experience and certification I could never weasel out claiming that it is not within my training to do so, and because it is my karma!

I will render aid in any situation even if it puts a third party at greater risk! If you dive with me you must accept that. I would only fail to do so when, in my opinion, I would place a student who is my charge at significant risk to life or limb!

I will render aid under any circumstances without consideration of my own safety or wellbeing!

I will dive with you regardless of your insurance status!

I require that my buddies be well trained and exercise good judgment and use equipment that is in good repair! But I will attempt to rescue you if need be, regardless of your judgment, equipment status or state of mind. I will be there to help you if you panic, you may depend on that!

I will dive with you if you understand your responsibilities while underwater to your own safety and that of others! If you do not understand these things I will not have you as a buddy, but I will still assist you in any way required if I come across you in the water in trouble!

Anything less is unacceptable in a team member!

 

[Kingpatzer]

I will render aid under any circumstances without consideration of my own safety or wellbeing!

In my mind that is just as foolish a statement as anything that Papa_Bear has presented here.

Creating a worse situation for someone else to deal with because you don't act responsibly with regard to your own safety while trying to effect a rescue is not doing anyone any favors, least of all the person you're trying to rescue in the first place.

 

[tonka97]

PB's posts have been eliminated, probably by his choice.....SB would be so much better if the content of posts could be discussed, instead of mean spirited, group attacks upon the member...this is endemic with most internet forums, and SB is no exception....The moderators, if they care, should minimize personal attacks, and steer the conversation to the substance of the topic....In this thread, one of my posts that simply said that I would be willing to dive with PB or any competent diver was summarily deleted.....The attacks and threats upon PB, including his business were tolerated..... A repeating pattern that is not likely to change anytime soon, given most people's limited mindsets.

 

[wedivebc]

In my mind that is just as foolish a statement as anything that Papa_Bear has presented here.

Creating a worse situation for someone else to deal with because you don't act responsibly with regard to your own safety while trying to effect a rescue is not doing anyone any favors, least of all the person you're trying to rescue in the first place.

You know, everone is guided by their own personal moral compass and it seems PB and Thalassamania are at opposite poles but is either one wrong?
(As long as those diving with them know which way the needle points)

 

[TSandM]

Well, all of us who go underwater have to make a great many decisions (or at least should) before getting there. That includes the equipment we use, the places we go, how much gas we carry and how we manage it (including whether we share), whether we dive with a buddy at all, and if so, what degree of engagement and/or responsibility we want with that buddy.

There's a whole spectrum of possible choices for each of those things. Some of them are probably safer than others, but as long as the choices are informed and educated, I don't really care if someone selects the safest option for himself, so long as I don't have to rescue him as a result of a voluntary risk that I don't think he should have taken. There are some choices people might make that I wouldn't want to be in the water with (deciding not to share gas would be one), and others which might different from mine but which wouldn't bother me (like having a different but useful gear configuration).

I'm not sure how you define the concept of "wrong" in this context. Something would definitely be wrong if it hurt someone else, and you can definitely say something was ill-advised if someone is hurt as a result of doing it, but does that make it "wrong"? Evel Knievel attempted to jump the Grand Canyon on a motorcycle, and was badly hurt as a result. It was ill-conceived, but at least not in my mind "wrong".