Why NOT DIR?

[John_B]

Honestly, Kingpatzer, I think you are making all this up. It sounds like you've internalized some internet urban legends.

John

 

[limeyx]

The truth of the matter is the number of DIR purist is really very small both in the ranks of recreational and technical divers. I encounter in all my diving, really very few divers that are 100% DIR minded divers. Some are 'jerks' others are not....but that is found in all groups.

I somewhat agree. I dont think it is possible to be "100% DIR" to the level some people are analyzing things.

If you really take the classes and (most importantly) dive with DIR trained divers, you will see that a lot of things are shades of grey rather than straight black & white.

It's the attitude (safety, team, commitment to train, commitment to always try to do things "right") that makes the most difference.

I dove with a "Non-DIR" person last week (shock! Horror!) She very politely asked me and my buddy if we were going to do the 4th dive as her "He-man" boyfriend buddy had bailed

I said "sure" -- spent 3 mins going over a few hand signals, an ascent profile and explained that in an OOA, my alternate air source was in my mouth.

Jumped in, had a perfectly wonderful easy dive. Every time I looked back she was 5-7 feet behind me, not kicking the reef, and managed a perfect ascent (she ought to be able to, she's been diving since age of 12 it turns out). But give me a "DIR" diver that wants to "get in and go to 200 feet" and I probably wouldn't do a recreational dive with them ...


For me, I aim to do everything right, and hope to hit 90%+ (whatever that means)

 

[Doc Intrepid]

No real argument, John B, but we are currently in the Basic Scuba Discussions forum, not the DIR forum.

In Basic Scuba Discussions forum there are far more options for poo-flingery and projectile vomiting than in the DIR forum.

Besides, it looks like King ran into a couple of goobers. There may be opportunity for damage control. Then again, maybe not.

Worth pondering, though...

 

[texdiveguy]

I somewhat agree. I dont think it is possible to be "100% DIR" .............

For me, I aim to do everything right, and hope to hit 90%+ (whatever that means)

90%+ I will buy that....

 

[Kim]

Doc Intrepid, this is exactly why the DIR forum needs to be opt in.

John

This isn't in the DIR forum. Where's the problem? It's just someone's viewpoint based on their own exposure. Most of us know that most DIR trained folks aren't the cause of the problems - but either everyone is making the stories up....or SOME of them are.

Personally, if someone tried to criticize or belittle me in the ways described, then depending on my mood I'd either agree with them, or tell 'em to get stuffed. Either way I'd forget about them within seconds.

I already know that in most endeavors the people who are best at it tend to be modest, quiet, and very nice. It's really of no concern to them if I don't want to know stuff or wish to be like them. On the other hand - if I ask for help or whatever they are normally very glad to oblige. It's easy.

If people just remembered that they're just people and act like that it all goes away. There is far less in differences than there is the same - whether you are DIR or Solo. Your body still takes on Nitrogen the same way, your lungs can still embolise the same way. hell......you've all got a tank on your back either alu or steel with something (hopefully) breathable in it.

The fights this stuff causes is mad. There are LOT'S of reasons to be DIR, and LOT'S of reasons not to be. There's also LOT'S of Internet users that simply enjoy stirring poop. That's really no reason for everyone to run to their own tribe, pull up the drawbridge, and bolt the door!! It's madness.

 

[texdiveguy]

That's really no reason for everyone to run to their own TRIBE , pull up the drawbridge, and bolt the door!! It's madness.

LOL...'Tribe' is an trigger word here on SB.

 

[Cacia]

I read a thread on one of the GUE sites -- a *debate* regarding penetration of war graves and the condescention from one of the gurus congealed any lingering need I have had to find the debate intriguing. It all crystalized.--its not about DIR, rather its some twisted life metaphor for people with other issues, on both sides.

It is such a relief to be finally over it.

 

[John_B]

This isn't in the DIR forum. Where's the problem?

Kingpatzer is obviously making up his own horror stories. He wants everyone else to be polite and then throws around accusations and makes up childish names, then *****es that other people are arrogant. I'm glad he can do that here in the Basic Scuba forum, I have no problem with that. Germane to another ongoing discussion, if we can keep this Kingpatzer's stuff here, I'm all for it.

John

 

[Cacia]

and those HQ "sound bites" get on my nerves too

so the question I should be asking is "why does that bug me so much?" lol

yea, it is not about DIR at all. These threads are like the on-line group therapy

just another another version of "Is Obama black enough?" identity crisis.

Kinda fun though at times.

 

[Kim]

Kingpatzer is obviously making up his own horror stories.

Really? You sure of that?

He's not the only one who has told similar stories. Like I said - I in no way think that most DIR divers are like that....or even agree with it themselves. I'm English. Does that mean I'll always agree with the behavior of all Englishmen all the time?

You have to be kidding!!

Actually - I've only ever seen a couple of DIR divers once (apart from a friend here in Japan). They were on the same liveaboard as me in Thailand. A young couple from Hawaii.
They weren't too bad - a bit quiet maybe, possibly aloof in some way. but hell - it's their holiday too and maybe they just wanted to be together! (we've all been young and she WAS pretty hot! )
However - they didn't seem to listen at all to the dive briefings - especially maximum dive times. They caused the whole boat to have to wait around 10 minutes every dive for them to come back. It kinda caused quite some irritation.

Now - I'm SURE that that has nothing really to do with DIR per se, BUT....... if you wear a badge then your WHOLE attitude reflects on it. That's just the way life is. It's called being an example.

Take your last post. You called someone a liar. Maybe you didn't realize that that's what you did. But you did.

That's a pretty bad example.

Oh....and by the way....could you point us to the offending posts that Kingpatser must have made in the DIR forum that justifies claiming him as a reason why the problems exist in there?