Question New to scuba diving, is it a bad instructor?

[OMyMyOHellYes]

Why not answer the question? Why not name the instructor and location? The whole story is unbelievable.

Probably wise to not name the "instructor".

 

[Ez E]

@Pearl0123, I think "trick" would be "skill" in English. You're French Canadian, eh?

Yeah that took me a bit to understand but based on the context of the sentence I figured as much. I just hope in the end she gets the training she paid for.

 

[KeelsonGraham]

Thank you for your comment, it helps me to recognize it was not legit. I will try to report it to PADI. I was not sure at the beginning if it was a commun practice for new divers.

Police first, then PADI

 

[Lorenzoid]

Police first, then PADI

If she's already back in Canada, filing a police report may be difficult.

 

[Pearl0123]

If she's already back in Canada, filing a police report may be difficult.

Yes exactly I am already back form my trip. Will take a look at the local laws.

 

[johndiver999]

I don’t mean to be inflammatory, but if a women was subject to aggressive pursuit in a sexual manner, did not object at the time, left the situation voluntarily, and then returned two more times over a series of days and receiving similar responses, how is a man to understand that his actions were unwelcome?

I can certainly agree that his actions were unprofession but I have a hard time understanding where a criminal aspect comes into play and how the advice to call the police makes sense. Do women have the right to demand that a man is a mind reader?

Women should be empowered to stand up for themselves and act as an adult, rather than a helpless, silent victim.

We expect more from even our relatively young children, when we try to develop their self confidence to a point where they have the tools to remove themselves from an uncomfortable or unwelcome situation - at least as best they can. How do you send a kid to church, school, Boy Scouts, baseball or anywhere without being reasonably sure they can stand up for themselves?

 

[Outbound]

I don’t mean to be inflammatory, but if a women was subject to aggressive pursuit in a sexual manner, did not object at the time, left the situation voluntarily, and then returned two more times over a series of days and receiving similar responses, how is a man to understand that his actions were unwelcome?

I can certainly agree that his actions were unprofession but I have a hard time understanding where a criminal aspect comes into play and how the advice to call the police makes sense. Do women have the right to demand that a man is a mind reader?

Women should be empowered to stand up for themselves and act as an adult, rather than a helpless, silent victim.

We expect more from even our relatively young children, when we try to develop their self confidence to a point where they have the tools to remove themselves from an uncomfortable or unwelcome situation - at least as best they can. How do you send a kid to church, school, Boy Scouts, baseball or anywhere without being reasonably sure they can’t stand up for themselves?

Your sentiment may seem rational, but you need to educate yourself on the psychosocial complexities of sexual harassment and assault.

 

[johndiver999]

Your sentiment may seem rational, but you need to educate yourself on the psychosocial complexities of sexual harassment and assault.

When do people have to act as adults? I was subject to long term abuse as an adolescent, so I have some familiarity with it. Children are different than adults and to treat women as weak powerless children will not bring about good outcomes for anyone.

 

[Outbound]

When do people have to act as adults? I was subject to long term abuse as an adolescent, so I have some familiarity with it. Children are different than adults and to treat women as weak powerless children will not bring about good outcomes for anyone.

No one is saying the women are powerless. But in this case - as in most cases of such behavior - there was a power dynamic at play. This was exacerbated by the fact that it was part of scuba training, which means underwater, a place where humans are not meant to survive. I’m certain this instructor was fully aware of what he was doing, and I’m certain he has done it many times before. He acted in a predatory manner.

Now, yes, this likely means many women before OP have just let it go and likely managed to rationalize his behavior in some way. And yes, that has allowed him to continue this abhorrent behavior. But HE is the one at fault, not OP for not saying anything at the time.

 

[johndiver999]

No one is saying the women are powerless. But in this case - as in most cases of such behavior - there was a power dynamic at play. This was exacerbated by the fact that it was part of scuba training, which means underwater, a place where humans are not meant to survive. I’m certain this instructor was fully aware of what he was doing, and I’m certain he has done it many times before. He acted in a predatory manner.

Now, yes, this likely means many women before OP have just let it go and likely managed to rationalize his behavior in some way. And yes, that has allowed him to continue this abhorrent behavior. But HE is the one at fault, not OP for not saying anything at the time.

She has no responsibility to say “stop that sheet now?” You use fancy words like power dynamic, that means nothing more to me than “victim”, how do you send a 14 yr old girl out with friends if this “power dynamic” is going to relegate her to a victim?