How does the type of wings he was wearing have anything to do with what killed him?
Tom
Tom
Wings of death?
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Then again if he tried an emergency buoyant ascent and couldn't inflate the wings of death (WOD) it could have contributed to task loading and been the straw that broke the camel's proverbial back.
Couldn't the bands prevent the wings from fully inflating and allow much needed air to escape through the OPV?
Couldn't the bands prevent the wings from fully inflating and allow much needed air to escape through the OPV?
No,
This sounds like he was grossly overweighted for his gear. It wouldn't have mattered if he was wearing OMS, Halcyon, diverite or anyone elses wings of the same size.
Tom
This sounds like he was grossly overweighted for his gear. It wouldn't have mattered if he was wearing OMS, Halcyon, diverite or anyone elses wings of the same size.
Tom
Halcyon wings can lift anything! I heard a 27lb Pioneer wing lifted an African Bull Elephant who ran out of gas on the Brittanic and had to be rescued...
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That case is a classic example of the trap some people can fall into. It's the mentality that such nonsense can create that can be problematic. Think about it. Here's a guy who was probably thinking it's OK to dive steel stages, steel doubles, heavy weight belt, and probably some heavy tools because the dual bungied wings will bail him out. It seems to be a pattern that gimmickery leads to convulation and bad habits. I think it's a bad idea to rely on nifty gimmicks for anything.
Less is best, and if you don't need it, then don't take it. There enough stuff to worry about on these type of dives without throwing in something wholly unneeded. I find it difficult to understand why people fall for such blatently unneeded gimmicks.
Just because a salesman says something doesn't mean squat. If anything, you should be very skeptical of every word that that exits their mouths. I don't care if they are an " experienced tech diver" with wallet full of tech certs or not. If they're salesman, be skeptical. Do your own research; get as many unbiased (finacially unbiased) opinions as you can; and think for yourself with an open mind. A little common sense can go a long way.
Mike
Less is best, and if you don't need it, then don't take it. There enough stuff to worry about on these type of dives without throwing in something wholly unneeded. I find it difficult to understand why people fall for such blatently unneeded gimmicks.
Just because a salesman says something doesn't mean squat. If anything, you should be very skeptical of every word that that exits their mouths. I don't care if they are an " experienced tech diver" with wallet full of tech certs or not. If they're salesman, be skeptical. Do your own research; get as many unbiased (finacially unbiased) opinions as you can; and think for yourself with an open mind. A little common sense can go a long way.
Mike
To blame it on the wings without knowing the rest of the story is totally preposterous. O-ring said he was quoting the rescue diver when he said the man could not be raised by totally inflating his BC. He was over weight for his gear. Unfortunately he was wearing bungied wings. They had NOTHINGto do with his death. He could have been diving a faulty reg that crapped out under the strain of the work load he was putting on it trying to swim up. That sounds more reasonable to me.
Tom
Tom
Lost Yooper
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I think you'd better duck now.
Mike
Mike
100days-a-year
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Just re-read a few posts and saw the link to OMS .1 question do any of you guys actually dive with an inflator hose that long ?I saw that and thought it was for filling car and bicycle tires.Laminar flow theory doesn't apply to lo speed objects in water ,but does to hi-speed .Whether or not there is a rapid descent/difficult oral inflation issue" Bungies are entrapment hazards." period.Even tho the redundancy issues are valid fears I feel they are addressed in most situations by what is tought by all agencies .Overhead = buddies being each others primary redundancy.Another thing to consider in the future as libility becomes more an issue which diver do you think will be allowed to do any tech diving in a situation involving state,local official and dive-boat operators.DIR guy or Personal Preference guy?
I can't get past the fact that the bungies seem like a senseless entanglement hazard and they are there for the purpose of making the BC look "tech". Do we really need a bungie version of John Ormsby's suicide clip incident to prove the bungies are a bad idea?
Every one is talking about all the people dieing who was wearing some kind of wing. Show me all the facts about diving deaths the ones wearing wings and the ones who were not the ones who were diving deep and the ones who were not. The tech divers vs the sport diver so on and so forth. Then and only then will I deside what is safe and what is not. Until then dive deep or go home.:sharky:
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