Wife got bent; we can't understand why. Would love some advice.

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Sudden and dramatic onset of severe neurological symptoms within a few minutes after surfacing is more indicative of arterial gas embolism than decompression sickness, but a spontaneous and relatively rapid recovery like that would be extremely unusual for either AGE or severe neurological DCS. The symptom presentation is also atypical as other posters have noted. Without having examined her it's impossible to say for sure what happened, but the diving may be a red herring. She needs a thorough workup, including evaluation by a diving physician. Please feel free to PM me if you'd like a referral.
 
Have there been many cases of Divers getting DCS after single NDL-proper dives? Seems a lot of examples of these are from multi-dive, multi-day dives. With the more consecutive dives, the higher the risk, right?

Sorry, not trying to be an ass, just trying to understand DCS thoroughly, I'm currently under the impression that if you're medically healthy and stay well within NDL and ascent rates, you're in the clear. Hard to filter out the bs as a new diver, everyone has a slightly differing opinion (makes you wonder why I ask for more but a general consensus is helpful). I know there's large gaps in our knowledge of DCS however. Can't wait until my Deco for Divers book arrives!
 
Sudden and dramatic onset of severe neurological symptoms within a few minutes after surfacing is more indicative of arterial gas embolism than decompression sickness, but a spontaneous and relatively rapid recovery like that would be extremely unusual for either AGE or severe neurological DCS. The symptom presentation is also atypical as other posters have noted. Without having examined her it's impossible to say for sure what happened, but the diving may be a red herring. She needs a thorough workup, including evaluation by a diving physician. Please feel free to PM me if you'd like a referral.

Thank you sir -- I just PM'd you.

I have also emailed DAN; will be interesting to hear what they say. The only thing I can say for sure about her recovery is that O2 was crucial. About 9 hrs after the incident, she took off the O2 mask to eat dinner in the hospital. Within about 20 minutes on regular air, she started feeling 'funny'. She put the O2 back on and felt normal again. Finally, the next day, after 24 hrs on O2 she was discharged, and has been fine since.

So whatever it was, O2 was vital in stopping and reversing the symptoms...

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I think we need to pull back from this just a bit.

24m max depth, 33 minutes under water, effects felt within 3 minutes of exiting? 5 hours total time for the medical resolution of the issue on just straight O2?

Even if the effects are loss of vision, paralysis and "tingling" in fingers and toes, the resolution and cause of this doesn't sound anything like DCS, up to and including a complete sudden and painless paralysis. You mentioned she was physically fit and well hydrated. Somethings missing, what did you guys do the days before profile wise? If this is by some medical mishap, DCS, we need to know the days leading up to and the activities in between. What is a "normal" ascent and descent to you? Given people mention everything from 5-18m per minute this is important.

DCS doesn't just randomly occur, you have to anger it in quite an abrupt and obvious manner.

Let us know what DAN says about this medically :S

I should say that her recovery took longer than 5 hours. While she felt fine and passed all the neurological exams (from the chamber staff) within 5 hrs, she took off the O2 after 9 hrs and almost immediately felt 'weird.' She put the mask back on for the rest of the night,
and only took it off again after 24 hrs had passed. So keeping her symptoms at bay required O2 for longer than 5 hrs.

On the days before the dive we did regular surface activities...lounging on the beach, mopeding around the island, taking a boat and van up to Khao Lak (departure point for the dive boat.) No unusual activities and no sessions of heavy drinking.

As for the ascent, it was well within the computer's ascent parameters. We hung out at 15m for most of the dive, waiting for another diver to resolve his air problem (he never did). We hit 24m for 5 minutes and headed up. Did the usual 3-min safety stop at 5m. She did ascend faster than me from the safety stop -- probably 10m/minute, but I've seen zillions of people basically bolt to the surface after a safety stop with no ill effects. This is what's so puzzling...she did nothing, and had none of the risk factors, that you'd associate with a DCS hit.

As for the air in her tank, I did think of that, but not until that afternoon, when it was too late.

I suppose it could've been a marine sting, but she didn't feel a thing...I personally haven't heard of a creature with a neurotoxin that can sting without pain. It couldn't have been a lionfish/stonefish etc, as we never saw one and didn't hit bottom...I guess theoretically it could've been a jelly, but she had no welts and didn't recall feeling any pain during the dive.

I also just remembered that she felt the first onset of symptoms as she surfaced, but she didn't realize there was a real problem until a few minutes later.

Will post what DAN says...
 
Not a doctor but you stated she went up faster than you after the safety stop so I'm thinking AGE. I may be wrong but I always considered the last ten feet as the most crucial. A lot of people like to shoot to the surface after completion of the safety stop, including my wife, I believe a lot of accidents happen in this way that are mis diagnosed. How many times have we read "We were at the safety stop and then next time I saw them they were unconscious on the surface" My two cents, could be out to lunch but something to think about.
 
Hey Kareem! Bestforwardspeed here from the Redboard.

Please do keep us informed as to what DAN says. I can only imagine how painful and gutwrenching those 5 hrs were for you and my heart goes out:-( This has put me on-edge somewhat at least about my multi day multi dive Bonaire trip next week, but im still going to have a helluva good time----being aware, but not afraid to have fun.
 
Have there been many cases of Divers getting DCS after single NDL-proper dives? Seems a lot of examples of these are from multi-dive, multi-day dives. With the more consecutive dives, the higher the risk, right?

Sorry, not trying to be an ass, just trying to understand DCS thoroughly, I'm currently under the impression that if you're medically healthy and stay well within NDL and ascent rates, you're in the clear. Hard to filter out the bs as a new diver, everyone has a slightly differing opinion (makes you wonder why I ask for more but a general consensus is helpful). I know there's large gaps in our knowledge of DCS however. Can't wait until my Deco for Divers book arrives!


If your healthy, follow NDL's, and proper ascent rates, stay hydrated - you have an extremely low risk of DCS. But are there examples of it happening - absolutely.

It could happen on any dive, to any one (albeit very unlikely). Not knowing that and understanding that could create "doubt" and potentially precipitate a delay in treatment.
 
Have there been many cases of Divers getting DCS after single NDL-proper dives? Seems a lot of examples of these are from multi-dive, multi-day dives. With the more consecutive dives, the higher the risk, right?
I think I have read that the first day of a trip is the most dangerous, for accidents overall at least. I can't find the source right now. You can download and spend hours reading DAN's annual accident reports, and it may be beneficial if you don't get spooked: Divers Alert Network
 
First of all I want to thank Eric Hexdall who has been tremendously helpful with his questions and correspondence to my wife. Secondly, to all on this board...I'm obviously a newbie but it is clear that the diving community (like the pilot community) is full of folks who help each other out :)

I got a response from DAN, and here it is. It was helpful, although I must admit it makes me rather hesitant to dive ever again. I've always believed that if you followed the rules and kept your diving conservative, the likelihood of you getting hit with something was vanishingly low. As DAN points out, 1 severe hit in 106 dives is a pretty terrible ratio.

In aviation, we train and practice constantly in order to avoid accidents, but this is something different; this is something that no training or preparation could possibly have avoided. So tell me -- if this had happened to you, what would your future course of action be? Would you dive again?

Anyhow, here's the DAN response:

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We are very sorry to hear what you've both been through. What a nightmare! So glad she had a full recovery!

Ok, let’s start by saying that unfortunately, we can't tell you exactly what happened. As a matter of fact, no one can. All we or anybody can do is merely speculation, surmise.

First -
Based on what you are describing, she was not "bent", for she did not have "DCS". What you are describing is in fact very consistent with an AGE (arterial gas embolism). Onset time and the dramatic nature of her symptoms makes a strong argument to assume such cases are AGE until proven not. Why? that's another story.

Why? -
Hard to tell for sure. PFO is possible, but whether she has a PFO or she hasn't, the reality is that though it would be very tempting to connect the dots, and fairly easy; even by proving she has a PFO that does not prove it caused this incident. Chances of her having a PFO are relatively high (about 1:3), but it wouldn't be the first time someone develops a case like your wife's and there is no PFO to blame. There may be other shunts or short-circuits that could cause the same paradoxical embolism we so strongly like to suspect, like intrapulmonary AV malformations.

What if she has a PFO? -
Well, what if she has one? Is she going to need surgical closure? I would say probably not, if she never had any issues before. Watch out here, you might actually hear "Oh... she needs surgery!". Keep in mind that if she never had any issues whatsoever for 36+ years, going through cardiac surgery just for diving? Even when we can't really prove that her PFO actually caused it? I would say it is absolutely not worth the risk, for surgery is not risk free either. And even if she goes through surgery, a successful surgery does not eliminate DCI risks, and the recommendation after surgery would still be to dive very conservatively.

What if she doesn't have a PFO? -
Well, it might be worth looking for other shunts, because her only dive was not that provocative, and her symptoms and symptom onset was very compatible and suspicious of an embolism. Classic AGE cannot be ruled out either, by no means. She could have had a bronchospasm and caused pulmonary barotrauma leading to AGE. The absence of any form or signs of extra-alveolar air does not rule out pulmonary barotrauma and AGE, this is not a sine qua non finding.

What about future diving? -
That is the toughest question. 106 uneventful dives lifetime, and 1 major hit. 1:100 . Not bad for the casino, but woefully high for diving. At least, that's what we think over here.

Now it is strange that the chamber staff decided she did not need treatment. Normally most facilities, when facing such a case, they would treat anyway.

Anyway, we hope this helps, and please do let us know if you think we could be of any further help. Same if your doctors would like to consult with DAN, we are here to help.
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I've always believed that if you followed the rules and kept your diving conservative, the likelihood of you getting hit with something was vanishingly low.
That is still true, and many here are baffled as to what happened - with AGE being the popular guess. The DAN email offered some idea as to how that might have happened. BTW, the 1 in 3 chance she has a PFO is the overall ratio for humans - not for her case specifically, and as suggested, still not conclusive even if one was discovered.

As fas as gas testing, the best time for that is right before a dive. That's when I test. After an accident, possible evidence incurrs handling risks.

I think that aviation is indeed a more exact science, but caca happens. I've talked to professional airline pilots who tell me that have tried to fly thru a simulated microburst like the one that crashed a Delta plane at DFW around 1988 - and none I talked with said they could.
 
One final thought from me (I have few thoughts so I hope this is a good one). Those last 15 feet are crucial. The fact is that during those 15 feet you exp[erience more significant pressure changes than 15 feet at greater depths. One other modification I made to my diving is to take forever to rise from the safety stop. and slowest the last 5 feet. Just a thought. Happy diving
 
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