Why the SPG is clipped to the hip ring.

[elan]

Experience does matter. If you've never done a multiple stage cave dive, on what grounds do you stand to comment on it?

One of the big advantages to the DIR equipment config is the law of primacy and not having to unlearn stuff later on. By having experience in stage/deco/cave diving, one can comment as to the effectiveness of the debated procedure.

The entire argument FOR having the spg on the hip is that it works though all diving. Those with experience are chiming in to reinforce this. Its not a "position of authority" argument, but one of practical experience.

There is no reason to repeat the mistakes of others so you can "learn" for yourself.

I think you read my post wrong. What I was saying was if during the conversation we bring on the table more information like "this works better because it prevents this this and this and does that that and that" instead of saying "you cannot comment because you do not have experience and I do and as I have been doing this for years this is how it's supposed to be done" the readers will better understand the system. Yeah being an adept will definitely work if you adopt the working system, but there is no problem questioning why it is that way and not that and pose those questions to those who uses the system to understand the logic better.

 

[Anti-Hero]

That is lemming-ish - JFC, now I'm going to have to go take a TDI class.

 

[PfcAJ]

I think you read my post wrong. What I was saying was if during the conversation we bring on the table more information like "this works better because it prevents this this and this and does that that and that" instead of saying "you cannot comment because you do not have experience and I do and as I have been doing this for years this is how it's supposed to be done" the readers will better understand the system. Yeah being an adept will definitely work if you adopt the working system, but there is no problem questioning why it is that way and not that and pose those questions to those who uses the system to understand the logic better.

Thats fair. I only called experience into the argument because some situations (cave, deco, wreck, etc) magnify the "whys" of the DIR system. When one discounts these, experience can be called upon to provide real life justification.

I do not feel that experience alone is a sufficient argument for anything, as there are lots of people with experience doing dumb things.

 

[JeffG]

I think you read my post wrong. What I was saying was if during the conversation we bring on the table more information like "this works better...

It probably isn't the right question to ask.

When looking at it from a DIR situation..."Better" usually refers to an "All round" solution vs A single purpose solution.

Neither are "better"...just different.

 

[b1gcountry]

like I said, on a reasonable dive you won't be looking at that spg anyway. and if you do and you can't do it without breaking trim in small passage, that's a 'you' problem.

Really? On an average dive, you will never check your gas pressure? (genuinely asking.)

To me, the biggest argument against clipping it off to your chest is that it likes to grab the long hose when you are deploying it. I've got a very broad chest, and if I clip off my SPG to my chest, it routes completely horizontally, and covers the long hose.

The only guys I see that regularly clip off to the chest DRing are videographers. I think that's a somewhat valid argument, but again, the argument most people are making isn't that chest clipping an SPG is blatantly wrong, just that it isn't DIR.

Tom

PS, I'll save the kitty some typing:

the argument most people are making isn't that chest clipping an SPG is blatantly wrong, just that it isn't DIR.

Yes, it is blatantly wrong.

EDIT:
PPS, Oops, it looks like Jeff just agreed with what I said. You're awful positive today.

 

[UCFKnightDiver]

I'd just like to add a tangent here.

I cannot speak for others, but I chose GUE because of it's accomplishments, reputation, safety record and strict adherence to established standards. I chose that organization to learn their system, not to question the validity of it. The validity has already been well established.

And every now and then standards do change, which is then passed down through the organization along with an explanation of why.

I think it is important to be "a thinking diver" follow the system because you believe in it, and agree with the ideas, dont just blindly follow it.

 

[UCFKnightDiver]

Really? On an average dive, you will never check your gas pressure? (genuinely asking.)

To me, the biggest argument against clipping it off to your chest is that it likes to grab the long hose when you are deploying it. I've got a very broad chest, and if I clip off my SPG to my chest, it routes completely horizontally, and covers the long hose.

The only guys I see that regularly clip off to the chest DRing are videographers. I think that's a somewhat valid argument, but again, the argument most people are making isn't that chest clipping an SPG is blatantly wrong, just that it isn't DIR.

Tom

PS, I'll save the kitty some typing:


Yes, it is blatantly wrong.

I think you're taking his statement out of context, in a cave you generally wont be breathing your backgas with stages on you, thus no need to check the pressure.

 

[PfcAJ]

Really? On an average dive, you will never check your gas pressure? (genuinely asking.)

The context was in regards to an average stage cave dive, where you typically won't be checking the backgas spg until you're off the stage and it is dropped.

 

[elan]

Thats fair. I only called experience into the argument because some situations (cave, deco, wreck, etc) magnify the "whys" of the DIR system. When one discounts these, experience can be called upon to provide real life justification.

I do not feel that experience alone is a sufficient argument for anything, as there are lots of people with experience doing dumb things.

I think we understood each other

 

[LiteHedded]

The context was in regards to an average stage cave dive, where you typically won't be checking the backgas spg until you're off the stage and it is dropped.

bingo.