JonG1
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Aren't GUE using or trialling a SM version of the RB80 for bailout to reduce complexity but extend available gas.
DIR- GUE Why are non-GUE divers so interested in what GUE does?
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The maritime archaeology season in the Aegean is from May through October. That is my reference. Not the North Atlantic. I didn't say all projects, just some. In future projects we've been discussing the constraints from OC bailout for some projects. We are not starting with those. We will be doing projects where OC bailout will work just fine for a while. But CC bailout is the direction we plan to go.
YuchenEasonJiang
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Several agencies ask for team bailout.
For instance, TDI (2022:235) stated the skill requirements of the CCR Advanced Mixed Gas course in their Standards and Procedures that "Demonstrate proper understanding and implementation of team bailout procedures and conduct a team bailout from a depth greater than 40 metres/130f"
Available at: https://www.tdisdi.com/wp-content/u...complete_sections/Part 1-TDI Introduction.pdf
The statement is actually in the Advanced Mixed Gas Rebreather Standards, https://www.tdisdi.com/wp-content/u...dvanced_Mixed_Gas_CCR_Unit_Specific_Diver.pdf
"Proper understanding and implementation of team bailout procedures" could very well include a discussion about how it can break down under some circumstances.
You may want to go in contact with people working with DPAA and Project Recover, they are working on body recoveries of ww2 airman and for the last 5 years they had some great success using rebreathers to find remains at depths over 50m in the Adriatic.
I was very impressed with their procedures and general diving skills.
Ahhh, nothing like the suppression of free speech to make me want to take a GUE course and join their cult, I mean community. Statements like this is why many will never go over to GUE.
Now to answer the OP as this ridiculous thread has drifted away from that question, as a rec and tech instructor, it is my personal philosophy to stay updated on the current trends in diving as well as the past. I believe any educator should do this no matter the subject. This is why I watch GUE threads and read articles from them. I have also had many a conversations with GUE instructors. Some were great and others were acting more like cult leaders. Same with my experience with UTD instructors, ITs and IEs. I have also seen some GUE/UTD divers and instructors whose skills were not as advertised.
So why have I not taken a GUE course? Because I do not agree with all of their standards and gear configs. I also happen to be a smoker (yes I know it is bad for me, I can read and hear it from doctors all the time). This alone means I can't take a course. While many on here say GUE isn't meant to be exclusionary, it is.
Also, as a sidemount specialist, I find it laughable that the GUE sidemount course is only a cave course. You can't do any of the earlier courses in SM. Why not? You can do your valve shut downs and rely on a teammate to tell you where your bubbles are coming from while I can feel any bubbles and easily see where they are originating from. Which do you find to be safer? For the record I did my 50m tech course in BM doubles..as soon as it was over, I was back in SM as it just makes more sense while also being a more streamlined and hydrodynamic profile.
I find the SM config to be the most "DIR" config there is but that is just me. Oh and I also don't dive a JJ so that is another strike against me.
I think maybe you misunderstood what beester was trying to say.
He was referring to newly minted GUE fundies divers as being more likely to give GUE a bad name by being too critical of others and having a less nuanced perspective, making it seem more cult-y.
In other words, the reason why you talk about GUE being a cult, is probably because of some inexperienced loud mouth divers who took a GUE class and think they know it all, when actually the experienced GUE divers/instructors and the general community is anything but a cult.
Yes, they have a zero tolerance for smoking. Call it exclusionist if you want. They're not trying to be for everyone. I understand the reasoning for not wanting to associate with divers that willingly harm their lungs and put themselves at unnecessary risk. Especially considering the goal of GUE to be at the forefront of exploration with pretty aggressive diving - it makes sense to focus on minimizing risk.
mariosx
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I don't know anybody who said that GUE is not exclusionary. It has high standards and you have to meet them no matter your personal situation. The idea is that as a GUE diver you can dive safely with any other diver at your training level, so for such trust system to work, people with the "wrong" fitness or attitude are filtered out. Every agency is exclusionary more or less but at different degrees.
As for the anti-smoking stance of GUE, I wouldn't call it the sole reason to be characterized as exclusionary... Nobody is forcing you to smoke. You are free to cut it at any moment and join GUE. I am pretty confident that also other agencies have restrictions when it comes to substance abuse, it's just that for GUE it's simply one more.
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