DIR- GUE Why are non-GUE divers so interested in what GUE does?

[berndo]

I spent thousands to dollars in travel to attend two GUE classes.

How was the other class? And why did you back to the same instructor?

 

[rddvet]

I sent GUE a detailed letter back when this happened. GUE knows what happened but they never responded. The instructor kept teaching for years afterwards. That proves GUE approved of that behavior.

It wouldn't be a big to me if this happened on the other side of town. But it didn't. I spent thousands to dollars in travel to attend two GUE classes.

Like I said before, I was attracted to GUE because of their basic philosophy. Even in my first week of PADI OW, I knew I wanted a different path before I knew there was actually a different path.

Too bad GUE blew it.

Restrict this forum? So like-minded fanatics call mutually mastur$#&e with each other, and brag about how superior they are to everyone else?

Just because you sent a letter, who's to say it got to them? I would think if you care enough to hold a grudge for so long, you'd reach out in a secondary way.
I have a HUGE problem with one GUE item. GUE pushes how important gas analysis and proper marking is, yet they have no strong stance on CO testing. In my opinion CO testing should be standard at all levels of diving, but especially so in technical diving. There are well known cases of CO deaths, yet its barely discussed and there's no hard and fast rule as there is with gas analysis. I sent an email to GUE HQ. I never got a response. I then discussed it with several local (local to GUE HQ) GUE instructors who agree with my points, but agreed they don't see it being changed in the near future. So at that point I gave up. So I understand your annoyance, but if its important to you, there's more that can be done.

As for the restricted forum see my response to the other poster. I don't think I've seen a single person here claim because they have GUE training they're better than everybody else. Its been said that you can be more likely to get better instruction through GUE, but not that GUE divers are superior. That seems more like projecting.

 

[Doc Harry]

How was the other class? And why did you back to the same instructor?

Second class was worse.
I was trying to be a "good" student and complete the training. It was his idea.

 

[Doc Harry]

who were the other two instructors?

No idea
They played minor roles in the training.
Mostly stood around and laughed.

 

[berndo]

My only concern is that we have people without dir/GUE Training talking about what dir/GUE does, ...

And when they do you have 8 people chiming in saying how it's not correct.
If people really want to find something out about gue they could also just go to the website, or on their youtube, or gueTV, or that magazin, or get a book or asked an instructor. It's not that there are no resources online. A forum is the least reliable source, whether you block people or not. You'd for sure make it more boring though.

 

[LiteHedded]

And when they do you have 8 people chiming in saying how it's not correct.
If people really want to find something out about gue they could also just go to the website, or on their youtube, or gueTV, or that magazin, or get a book or asked an instructor. It's not that there are no resources online. A forum is the least reliable source, whether you block people or not. You'd for sure make it more boring though.

nobody was ever blocked but the forum had rules which you can go and read yourself and it was moderated in accordance with those rules

 

[Lorenzoid]

Once again...the title of this thread is "Why are Non-GUE divers interested in what GUE does?" So I'm interested as to why someone at the upper level of GUE doesn't just man-up and contact him to discuss his issues? It's not like he's hard to find. And to be clear, I don't know Doc Harry from Adam. I just believe him.

Their Quality Control program seems good to me, but I think it's a little much to expect them to put cold-case detectives onto it. The instructor is gone, so the issues with the quality of instruction are moot. Doc Harry's other allegations are between him and the instructor (who, like most instructors with any training agency, was apparently not an employee). And if he made noises about possible legal liability, then it's pretty obvious to me why they didn't respond.

It likely happened before GUE's current QC measures were in place, where students fill out anonymous course evaluation forms, which nowadays include, as someone pointed out in an earlier post, a question specifically aimed at anything a student perceives as intentionally "degrading or embarrassing." The "drill sergeant" approach to teaching was apparently more common years ago, not limited to GUE, and I would bet GUE is not the only training agency to have become aware of it and discourage it. I think the QC program is one of the best features of GUE, and maybe it works, as we don't hear contemporary stories of instructors degrading or embarrassing students. Regardless of training agency, I suspect instructors who degrade or embarrass students or are otherwise widely unliked get weeded out eventually. A QC program where instructors get evaluated hopefully nips that sort of thing in the bud.

 

[ginti]

I have a HUGE problem with one GUE item. GUE pushes how important gas analysis and proper marking is, yet they have no strong stance on CO testing. In my opinion CO testing should be standard at all levels of diving, but especially so in technical diving. There are well known cases of CO deaths, yet its barely discussed and there's no hard and fast rule as there is with gas analysis.

Two quick curiosities about CO:

1. Andrea Marassich, cave IE for GUE, manages a diving center in Sardinia. You are obliged to analyze O2 and CO, and to sign a paper with the analysis, any time you fill with him (obviously even helium if you use trimix).
2. I also know many instructors saying that CO should be more important.

These two facts make me hope we can see some changes in the future. However, I don't know how fast it will happen (if it will...).

Anyway, I agree with you there should be more attention.

 

[nadwidny]

I sent GUE a detailed letter back when this happened. GUE knows what happened but they never responded. The instructor kept teaching for years afterwards. That proves GUE approved of that behavior.

It wouldn't be a big to me if this happened on the other side of town. But it didn't. I spent thousands to dollars in travel to attend two GUE classes.

Like I said before, I was attracted to GUE because of their basic philosophy. Even in my first week of PADI OW, I knew I wanted a different path before I knew there was actually a different path.

Too bad GUE blew it.

Restrict this forum? So like-minded fanatics call mutually mastur$#&e with each other, and brag about how superior they are to everyone else?

Nobody cared then and more than nobody cares now, except you. Time to let it go.

 

[SpeedyJ]

Nobody cared then and more than nobody cares now, except you. Time to let it go.

But then this thread would only be 70 pages long!