Which Dive Equipment Insurance do you use?

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dvleemin

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Hi,
I was curious as to who you use to insurance your dive equipment. I'd start a poll, but I wouldn't even know who to put on there, and since you can't edit it . . .

What about your house insurance policy? Does it cover loss while traveling? Also, what about your credit card, especially gold cards. I know they have a lot of coverage. Will they cover this?

Thanks,

Darryl
 
For a previous post on this subject go here...
DEPP/homeowners coverage

I really prefer D.E.P.P. coverage. I've made several claims over the years from flooded strobes to lost lenses with no problems whatever.

As others have said, your homeowners coverage may be sufficient or you may be able to place a rider on it but for me that wasn't an option. Homeowners policies in the past have been real quick to cancel coverage after minor claims and I don't want to take that chance because of scuba/camera gear when DEPP is so easy.

So check out the discussions in the previous post and look at DEPP's site. If you have any specific questions, I'll try to answer ya!
 
Thanks Dee.

I snagged the following quote from that post:
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From their Rates page:

$2,000 Limit = $30 annually
$3,500 Limit = $65 annually
$5,000 Limit = $95 annually
$7,500 Limit = $125 annually
$10,000 Limit = $150 annually
$12,500 Limit = $180 annually
$15,000 Limit = $210 annually
$17,500 Limit = $240 annually
$20,000 Limit = $270 annually
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That is pretty cheap.

Is there any other companies that insure dive equipment?

Darryl
 
They have great coverage & excellent customer service.

Don't forget another part of the equation: flood coverage. DEPP allows you to pick items you want covered for flood. They then calculate the additional premium as 4% of what you valued the item at.

Although this can add up quite a bit for those of us who have u/w photo equipment, it still comes in at a more reasonable price than what Vincenzia & Buckley (PADI's preferred agency) wanted to charge. The last time I checked with them (about 2 yrs ago) they wanted to charge a flood premium based on ALL the u/w photo equipment, not just the stuff you wanted to schedule. And when I questioned them on why I should be charged flood insurance on something that couldn't flood (like a strobe arm or a lens) they just said "that's the way the carrier does it". Needless to say, I didn't go with them.

Another thing to keep in mind: Homeowner's insurance only covers a certain amount of gear to a certain level. And if you decide to get extra coverage via scheduling them out, the coverage usually does not extend beyond the Continental US. So taking up the slack with dedicated scuba insurance is a good idea.

Bon Chance! :)

~SubMariner~
 
Originally posted by dvleemin
Thanks Dee.

....Is there any other companies that insure dive equipment?

Darryl

I *think* PADI does but I'm not sure....but I may be thinking about dive insurance :rolleyes: My memory ain't what she used to be!

I just renewed by DEPP insurance. Coverage on about $7500 of gear, including flood coverage on $2000, it's costing me right at $200 a year. If I lose a camera lens, flood a camera, or have 1 set of regs stolen that premium will be well worth it!
 
Hi,
Flood insurance is the one thing that is an issue for me (well hopefully). I'm planning on buying a housing for my 3040 before our honeymoon. And flood insurance I think is pretty much mandatory. Especially for an UW photography such as myself. Plus I'm known to be a bit clumsy at times :)

I am going to call my insurance broker and get info on what is and isn't covered though. I do know that I have a $500 deductable ($300 US) so thats an issue as well. It might just be better to pay the cash, than risk that.

Darryl
 
Hi Darryl,

PADI does not offer dive equipment insurance. DAN just came up with a gear & camera policy, and it is reviewed in the next issue, Mar '02, of "Undercurrent," http://www.undercurrent.org/.

As regards DEPP, here's a piece I wrote for the Sep '01 issue of "Undercurrent:"

"When a Grouper Eats Your Computer there ’s insurance to cover it.

DocVikingo.

On a dive trip last year, one of our readers flooded his digital camera and housing. The Divers Equipment Protection Plan (DEPP) that insured him paid for cleaning and testing the housing. It also replaced the camera with a newer, more expensive model, since the model destroyed had been discontinued.

Debbie Lewis, of Chicago, IL, had her locked luggage broken into while flying on TACA. Her brand-new women’s Dacor wetsuit; retail value $139, was missing. After the airline balked at replacing it, Deb told us that DEPP replaced it with the next, newer model within a week.

W h a t ’s the value of all the dive gear you travel with, including those expensive cameras? To replace it would be a major hurt, w o u l d n ’t it? Nearly every diver we have talked to tells us that DEPP provides excellent coverage at a reasonable price. However, before we tell you more about DEPP, consider your other options.

PADI and two DAN diver insurance plans cover gear lost or damaged because of a dive accident. However, even the most generous accident policy will pay no more than $2,500 for covered gear losses. As a homeowner or renter, your insurance policy may cover loss or theft of dive gear at locations other than your home. However, will your policy replace gear at its current cost? Many reimburse only the depreciated value, which doesn’t mean much for a five-year-old regulator. And, your policies may have a deductible value, so they will only reimburse you for losses above a $500 or $1,000 threshold, for example.

If you recently charged your equipment, or even the trip, to a credit card, you may be covered for short periods up to modest limits. For example, American Express cards come with a Purchase Protection Plan that covers items purchased with the card for 90 days after purchase, up to $1,000 per occurrence, $50,000 per card member per policy year. Read your cardholder benefit statement. Clarify any uncertainties by calling your insurance agent or credit card customer service center.

Dive equipment insurance that is secondary to homeowner’s, renter’s and credit card benefits, can be purchased through companies such as Access America and Travel Guard. (Secondary means you must first apply to your primary insurer). Bundled typically with trip cancellation protection, these policies cover up to $1,000 of losses related to loss, theft or damage. Understand the particulars to avoid unpleasant surprises. For example, the practical effect of Travel Guard coverage is that if they steal your $1,500 camera from your hotel room, don’t expect to see more than a $500 reimbursement.

Then there is DEPP, which is administered by Awry Enterprises, in Louisville, KY. DEPP standard plans range from $2,000 worth of coverage for $ 3 0 / y e a r, up to $20,000 worth of coverage for $270/year. They have a $25 deductible, per occurrence. You can purchase additional coverage for $10/year per $1,000 increment, with a surcharge of 4 percent on items worth more than $5,000, such as rebreathers and photo equipment.

Sandy Hall, vice president of Awry Enterprises, told Undercurrent that they have about $20 million of equipment under coverage. One European diver currently insures $80,000 worth of diving equipment.

DEPP policies cover gear loss, breakage, damage and theft worldwide. You submit an itemized list of equipment, but if you forget anything--even that automatic inflator on your BC--it won’t be covered. And, don’t expect cash reimbursement. The company, at it’s option, will either repair or replace your gear. You can add coverage for those frustrating and expensive camera floodings. This carries a deductible of 10 percent of the cost, not to exceed $250. The price is 4 percent of the value of your photographic gear, plus a 4 percent surcharge on more than $5,000. Flooded photographic gear will need to be shipped to a DEPP receiving center within five days of the accident to avoid a penalty.

However, Hall assured Undercurrent that they accommodate divers whose problems occur while they’re in a remote location where prompt return isn’t feasible, or are not discovered until later

Another diver, Davida Hinton made three camera-related claims within the first year. “A flooded sync cord and strobe, was repaired for $328, with my deductible being just 10 percent. Likewise for my Sea & Sea MMII EX-Pro that sustained chassis damage while on a dive boat, was about a $300 tab. All three repair facilities I’ve been referred to have been very good to exceptional. Dealing with the people at DEPP and the repair facilities they use has been a pleasure.”

As you might imagine, some unusual claims get submitted. Hall told us of one diver who flooded his brand new housing. Upon inspection, the repair facility found there were no o-rings anywhere in it. The diver thought that the case was already equipped with o-rings and never inserted what he thought were “backup” o-rings that accompanied the case.

Then there is the diver who flooded his Nikonos, which DEPP repaired. The next time diving, he returned to the surface with his Nikonos again flooded. Someone on the boat remembered seeing him put a roll of film into his BC pocket. Seems that after he shot up a roll of film, he had been popping open the back of his camera underwater and replacing the spent roll with a fresh one.

Both divers, Hall said, had their errors covered. One diver we talked with, however, was unhappy with the policy and stopped his coverage. “About two years ago in Baja the car was stolen along with all my equipment. I split the claim between my homeowner’s and DEPP. Within a week, I settled with my home insurer. It took DEPP at least two weeks to decide whether they would even honor the claim since I had no police report. After six months, I received most of the items less my personal wetsuit. They tried to match exactly what I listed. Some of their vendors did have the items in stock, but they held delivery until the unstocked items came in to save on shipping. I ended up with fins with too-small foot pockets and weight belts five sizes too big. They replaced my vintage Nikonos II with a 28-mm lens and bracket with a Nikonos III minus lens and brackets (I only listed the camera on my application — didn’t say lens). The total claim was for $2,500.”

Yes, for a loss to be reimbursed, you must have listed the component. In this diver’s case, his failure to obtain a police report of the theft clearly hindered his claim. To prove a loss, when a formal police report is unobtainable, a notarized letter from hotel security or a dive operator, for example, may be accepted. If you accidentally drop a piece of insured equipment while diving, and it cannot reasonably be retrieved, obtain documentation such as a letter from the dive boat captain.

Of course, the company expects policyholders to take reasonable steps to protect their gear. If your gear is lifted after you’ve left it in your unlocked car during a Bonaire shore dive, don’t anticipate a successful claim.

For more information, contact:

D E P P : h t t p : / / w w w. e q u i p m e n t p r otection.
com/page10.html. 760-674-8
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PADI: h t t p :/ /w w w. d i v e i n s u r a n c e . c o m .
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Access America: h t t p : / / w w w. e t r a v e l-p
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Travel Guard : h t t p : / / w w w. t r a v e l-guard.
com. 800-826-1300

© 2001 DSDL Inc. publishers of Undercurrent • www.undercurrent.org"

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
Thanks Doc. I searched for your article but was looking in the wrong spot!
 
OK,
I talked to my insurance broker regarding what my home owners policy does and does not cover. She said that I am covered to $5000 CDN, with replacement cost - not the depreciated cost.

Given that, why would I purchase additional insurance?

Of course, I did forget to ask her about a flooded camera, so that would be the turning point. I obviously have to check into that first.

But if my homeowner's does cover the loss, I see no reason to by additional insurance.

Am I missing something?

Darryl
 
Hi Darryl,

Long as your homeowner's definitely covers, at repair/replacement cost, all damage/loss possibilites to gear that you can envision, I can't think of any reason to get an additional policy.

Just make sure you get your agent's assertions in writing.

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
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