Where is the line between minding my own business?

[Scott M]

One more agreeing you did the right thing. It is a tough call sometimes. We had a situation on a dive boat in Belize watching an instructor taking her 12 y/o son diving. The kid was an accident waiting to happen, not his fault because she was doing nothing to teach him right from wrong. We are not talking about cleaning his room, this was life and death stuff or at least serious injury. We sat across the boat and were trying to be really nice asking questions that should have brought it to light with out saying your kids going to die if he keeps this up but she was just not getting it, just about the the time we decided to just say something, someone else beat us to it, it was not well received by the lady. It was tough but it had to be said. In the end hopefully they learned something from it but I doubt it the way she reacted.

Regards

 

[jupitermermaid]

This was the last post I made to her yesterday. "Surprisingly," she hasn't responded:

"Actually, the two months began after the last decompression chamber treatment, which was August 1. July 25 is when we did our first dives. The accident occurred on July 30 with the first decompression "dive," then the second one the following day when you flew to PR sooner than the doc recommended. You really should wait until October before you do any other dives to ensure no more "hits," unless a doctor who knows dive medicine told you otherwise,. I don’t want to see you hurt again!!"

 

[divesergeant]

jupitermaid,

You did the right thing.

And wow, did you stir up a bunch of responses! Probably because we've all been on a boat with someone like this. Her behavior is unexcusable. She'll get herself killed someday, or, worse, get someone else hurt trying to extricate her from a situation into which she should have never gotten.

Bravo for having the moxie to call her on it.

DS

 

[CaseyJr]

:shocked2: My family & I are new divers. Normally, you might recognize this "person" as an un-safe situation up front, but as newbies, we might be too focused initially to realize what was going on with her attitude & behavior. Certainly wouldn't want her in my party, much less as my buddy (or that of one of my family!!).

BTW, I know you can "call" a dive for any reason. So, what if you are UW and realize your buddy is not being a good buddy, for whatever reason -- what do you do? Do you take it to the DM for resolution? My goal is safety, but how far does my responsibility to my buddy go if the buddy is a jerk?:classic:

 

[ligersandtions]

This was the last post I made to her yesterday. "Surprisingly," she hasn't responded:

"Actually, the two months began after the last decompression chamber treatment, which was August 1. July 25 is when we did our first dives. The accident occurred on July 30 with the first decompression "dive," then the second one the following day when you flew to PR sooner than the doc recommended. You really should wait until October before you do any other dives to ensure no more "hits," unless a doctor who knows dive medicine told you otherwise,. I don’t want to see you hurt again!!"

Hopefully this will be more than enough warning for potential dive buddies, but I would consider throwing something in there about her lack of buddy skills. It's truly unfortunate when someone is asking for buddies to join them in the Caymans (or other distination diving location) only to forget about them as soon as they splash into the water. I know I would be extremely disappointed and upset if I booked a trip with her only to find out she was going to be a crappy buddy and ditch me.

 

[jupitermermaid]

You're right. On our trip, I at least had three other good buddies (one I KNEW was a good buddy before going into this), so it wasn't any big deal. But if she was the only one I ended up with my whole trip would have been ruined. If someone takes her up on the Cayman trip (even after reading the posts) and she is the only buddy they have, they might as well dive solo. I'll have to think of a way to bring that up without sounding like I'm attacking her on divebuddy.

 

[jupitermermaid]

:shocked2: My family & I are new divers. Normally, you might recognize this "person" as an un-safe situation up front, but as newbies, we might be too focused initially to realize what was going on with her attitude & behavior. Certainly wouldn't want her in my party, much less as my buddy (or that of one of my family!!).

BTW, I know you can "call" a dive for any reason. So, what if you are UW and realize your buddy is not being a good buddy, for whatever reason -- what do you do? Do you take it to the DM for resolution? My goal is safety, but how far does my responsibility to my buddy go if the buddy is a jerk?:classic:

Unfortunately, there will be occasions when you will end up with a crappy buddy. You have no responsibilty toward that person once they behave in a manner that can put themselves or others in a possible situation in which someone can get hurt. Never attempt anything beyond your own skills should such a situation arise. If they don't practice good buddy skills with you the first time (hopefully before you jump in the water with them you have a conversation detailing what you expect from each other and learn how each others gear works), then don't dive with them again. There are plenty of good divers out there who practice safe diving procedures. Dive with them! I found a lot of my buddies from this board and divebuddy. After reading posted threads you can pretty much figure out who a good potential buddy will be.

 

[butchpalmer]

This girl needs to be slapped stupid across the floor!! IMHO you did the right thing and then some. You dive with a buddy for a reason - SAFETY!!! I have just read all of the responses in this thread and am glad to see the support for what you did - not only for her but for any buddies she may have in the future. Bad buddies are a fact of diving but good buddies are going to save your life. Stir up as much crap as you can on this subject and never feel like you have done wrong - safety is every one's business!

 

[Dr Neil]

She sounds like the type of diver that believes they are buddy diving simply because both divers are in the same body of water (even if it's an ocean). The problem arises is that she will get buddied with a less experienced diver some day and then it's an accident waiting to be.

It's too bad she can't be "tagged" with a DO NOT DIVE WITH ME sign.

 

[jupitermermaid]

It's too bad she can't be "tagged" with a DO NOT DIVE WITH ME sign.

Maybe they can tatoo it on her forehead the next time she ends up in the decompression chamber.....