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I am the president of my government class and I need to get as many opinions on our situation with Iraq as possible. I'm tired of asking people my age because most of them have no idea what they are talking about lol.

In your honest opinion...what do you think of what's going on and what do you think we should/should have done?

Amber
 
I know what's going in with Iraq but I was curious as to what people's opinions here were. If it's such a touchy subject...I'll get rid of the thread..don't really want to step on anyone's toes.
 
... let me just put in a little pre-emptive moderator warning. Amber is asking for your opinion on the situation... not your opinion of others opinions...

this thread will be pulled if things get out of control.
 
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I am the president of my government class and I need to get as many opinions on our situation with Iraq as possible. I'm tired of asking people my age because most of them have no idea what they are talking about lol.

In your honest opinion...what do you think of what's going on and what do you think we should/should have done?

Amber
It would be really nice to have a glimpse into future possibilities. Is Sadam truly a future threat as he has been in the past? The current administration seems to think so. Do they have a reason to beleive that beyond what they have been able to share publicly? If so, then it is probably justified. However, war, no matter what the justification, is always a terrible thing. As citizens of the USA we haven't had any recent exposure to what a war fought on your own land is truly like. Incidents yes, but not a full blown war. To get an idea you have to consider the fall out from the Civil War that is still so easy to decern even now, approx. a 140 years later. For the most part, I suspect that the average Iraqi is just like anyone else, more concerned about food, fun and family than Iraq's world influence. So the question then becomes, is winning the battle worth the carnage that it will inflict on a more or less inocent populace?

Another issue; I would feel a lot more warm and fuzzy if there was more unified support from the UN as a whole. I don't like the idea of the USA policing the world or even appearing to do so. But, if they are looking to come here again as the Taliban did, or if they are supporting those who would. It is hard to stand back and wait. I guess that is why people who get paid a lot more than I do make the decisions?

The problem with education is that you learn a lot more questions than answers and I'm afraid that only history will show where the true wisdom lies in this case. :( I hope it will show that the right decisions were made.
 
This is a very PERSONAL opinion...you are entitled to a completely contradictory one.

OK, everyone's opinion is molded to a greater or lesser extent by their own experiences in life. I am 31. I have lived in the US for all but 5 years. For of those years I was living in Moscow, Russia and one was spent in Toronto. I have travelled extensively to Israel in the last year on business. I believe I have an outlook that is not exclusively and completely Americanized.

So here is what I think...and then you can fire away.

Long story short, I believe the removal of Saddam Hussein is the right thing to do. I would certainly prefer to have that done as part of an international coalition, but if the United States is forced to make difficult decisions alone, so be it.

To start, the argument in and of itself is a bit convoluted. Eleven years ago Saddam used weapons of mass destruction, launching SCUDS left right and center. In the past eleven years, the international community, per the U.N., has come together and decided that arms inspectors should be sent in to Iraq to confirm that Saddam was dis-arming. He kicked them out. To date, the international community has never been provided with anything remotely approaching solid proof that Iraq has disarmed, and yet, the burden somehow remains on the shoulders of those of us making the argument that such weapons in fact do exist...

I suggest that the task at hand is not for us to prove such weapons exist, but for Iraq to prove that they don't.

Second. There will NOT be a smoking gun found in Iraq. Why "proof of WMD" and a "smoking gun" have become synonomous is beyond me. Its outrageous to me that, as a nation, we look back at the scant and rather circumstantial evidence in the hands of the CIA and NSA and say that "we should have been more prepared" when it came to Sept. 11th and yet, in the face of eleven years of defying the international community, we cannot as a group of civilized nations say "enough...there is no smoking gun and no amount of inspections will find one. The preponderance of evidence, however, is clear and we must act."

Third. I honestly believe the Bush administration is looking at Iraq in the context of the bigger picture. I sincerely believe that they think that if they can democratize Iraq, peace in the Middle East might actually be a reality. Think about it for just two seconds. Pull out a map and look at the region. Now fast forward five years and you have basically isolated your remaining problem spots - Lebanon / Syria / Palestine are abutted by a democratic Israel, a benevolent Jordan / Iraq and to the East, you can begin to put democratic pressures on Iran and Pakistan.

Believe it or not, but most military experts agree that atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki actually SAVED lives. It drastically ended a conflict that might otherwise have stretched on for years and hastened the re-building of what is now an powerful and democratic nation. I think you have to look at Iraq in a similar light.

To me, the most egregious part of watching the peace protesters and listening to their arguments is the false sense of humanity. I will not criticize the French or the Russians for their point of view, but I will say this: when you decry the US for talk of war, make sure you remember that leaving Hussein in power virtually ensures a continued regime of racism and torture. Attempting to take the moral high road against war while children in Iraq are banished to camps because they are Kurds or Sunni and not Shi'a, while entire families of dissidents are used as test subjects for biological and chemical weapons...this is a selective and arbitrary sense of humanitarianism that looks good on the streets of Paris and in some corner coffeehouse in London, but just doesn't hold any logical weight.

I don't war for the sake of war. I also don't want an entire generation of young Iraqi men to hate the United States because the richest and most powerful nation stood by and idly did nothing while an entire nation of people was subjugated to the will of a person that the ENTIRE world agrees is a despot.

And yes, I have more than an academic interest in this. My brother is a naval officer out of Jax, Fla and is being shipped to the Middle East in a week.

Flame away.
 
my opinion of the subject is as follows:

We have a small dictatorship which is a proven threat to the security of the region. The U.S., as the sole remaining "Super Power" has decided to take the initiative to remove that threat.

We have asked for the help of our allies, only a few have responded favorably, others have responded somewhat predictably. France, what else might one expect from France? Germany, their economy is so trashed they may become third world soon but they should still have supported us over France. Russia, an old enemy, predictable lack of support. China, same.

What do I think we should do? I think we should bring all our people and all our trash home. We should leave Iraq alone.

We should also leave the sympathizers alone. We should cut off trade, as much as possible, and cut off ALL economic aid to those who stood against us. Let's see where they are in 5 years without our help.

Oh yea, we should also be checking various fuel tanks in the Midwest just in case anyone gets stupid.

Finally, we should deport all citizens of same nations who are over here enjoying the fruits of ours and severly restrict immigration.

Most of these countries owe us big time and have now pussied out on standing by us.

WW

ps- Jeff and others, if this post is not acceptable, pull it, don't edit it please.
 
We should have finnished the war and we wouldn't have this problem in the first place. But the politics and neighboring countries didn't think it was right to remove him from power.

People are upset because of the terror attacks but no one wants to make a stand and are worried about what will the neighbors think or will it make them mad at us and will have more attacks. It's like the school bully let'em push you around and they will think your a push over. You may get a black eye if you stand up to people but if you let contenue on eventualy you'll still get a black eye when your lunch money isn't enough. I'm sick of all the aid we give to countries to keep them from being mad or upset at us insted of just addressing the problem. You take'em out then they can't hurt you back and the other nations will think twice before starting something.

As for Korea the same could have been said. The Pres of the Time should have allowed us to use Nukes when the General asked for them insted we now have another loose cannon with N Korea and you get the gratude of the young S. Koerans who protest because we liberated there country and helped keep it safe.

After dealing with Iraq and Koera we should have a talking to the Brits cause they started this whole mess with the middel east in the first place. But least not we forget our true friends the French, the Germans, the Russians etc. etc. We should remember them next time they need a hand or backing. Also I think we should pull out of the UN. Were it's largest backer but get the snub every time we have some intrest that we need addressed.



Geek.
 
Now for something a little bit different. If civilization had not embraced the internal combustion engine (car engines) the way it did, if we had discovered a different source of fuel, those people over there in the sand would still think the guy with twenty camels was the richest man in the world!!
 

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