What's wrong with being a recreational diver?

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And also to the person whom started this Thread you should read a book called Ocean Gladaitor, by Mark Ellyatt he tells his story about a solo dive to 313m (1,026'), his Cave instructors Ineptitude of the Over Head enviroment, stories about discovering HMS Victoria, his life carrer as a Recerational, and "Technical" Instructor, his dangerous dives to 400' on Compressed Air!!!, and a whole lot more including Rebreathers... i guess if your curious about what all the fuss is about Cave/Cavern, Trimix/Deco/Extended Range, Rebreather, Deep air dives, Wreck Penetration, Solo ("jesus" diving or diving with "AL"), Record breaking dives than you should pick up the book (you can read toe first few chapters for free) the link to the website is:

Ocean Gladiator book by Mark Ellyatt
 
DevonDiver- your a tech instructor, i was just wondering i heard someone say that PADI or some other Recerational agency was going to start to teach aow divers how to conduct emergency Deco stops for dives not execeeding 15 mins past no deco

Where did you hear this from?
 
Emergency decompression procedures are formally taught on the PADI Deep Speciality course, including the use of appropriate redundant air (normally a drop tank from the boat).

I additionally teach my 'deep divers' to understand what their computers will display..and how to react to that... if they enter (emergency) decompression. Far too few divers, in my experience, have any understanding of what happens on the computer screen in deco mode. And yes...I expect deep speciality students to have computers.

For the purposes of a PADI OW or AOW diver, an emergency decompression stop is just an extended, mandatory safety stop. All divers should be taught how to conduct a proper safety stop...and be very clear on the emergency decompression procedures dictated on their dive tables.

As a matter of course, I ensure that my students all understand that the 3min safety stop can be extended whenever they feel like it.... and I generally encourage a 'more is better' attitude when it comes to off-gassing at 5m. Likewise, I also teach an exceptionally slow ascent from safety stop to the surface.
 
i heard someone say that PADI or some other Recerational agency was going to start to teach aow divers how to conduct emergency Deco stops for dives not execeeding 15 mins past no deco

Given that the PADI/DSAT RDP specifically mentions emergency deco stops, I don't see it as exactly unwise/unreasonable.

Though for single gas dives, I don't see that teaching them "how to conduct emergency deco stops" is any different than teaching them how to hover. "Hang at xxx for xxx."
 
I wonder what is the mad rush some divers have to move so quickly from recreational to "tech" diving? <snip>

What's wrong with being a recreational diver?

I agree with Walter that for some it is ego. For others, technical training is a way to fill in gaps that divers believe exist in recreational training. Others just might need more adventure.

My skydiving instructor took a scuba course in the Caribbean. As a skydiving instructor, he felt that the training was inadequate. As we talked about good scuba vs. poor scuba training, it became apparent that he, indeed, had a pretty poor course. He dropped out of diving because he thought scuba was boring and he felt something was missing in his training. Had he remained in diving, the challenge of technical diving would have appealed to him.

I think, for many, the "ego" factor is related to low recreational diving standards. To be "tech" means "to be trained" for many divers. Many aren't trying to be egotistical, but simply validated, as divers. Unfortunately, low standards are creeping into tech diving - especially at the advanced nitrox/deco level. TDI intro to tech standards state no sculling of hands or feet, yet even instructors I've seen teaching the class look sloppy. As written, TDI intro to tech standards are tougher than GUE's which allows a 3 - 5 foor buoyancy shift (TDI none) and minimal sculling. GUE has better quality control.

Industry-wide quality control and high standards would validate recreational diving as much as technical diving. Technical diving would be for those interested in it and not the default realm for better training. High standards and tough courses would create industry-wide respect.

Sure, there would be some ego-maniacs and those with low self-esteem trying to self-actualize through the title of "tech diver," but if C-cards were earned, there would be a great amount of esprit de corps.

Take the United States Marine Corps, for example. While a Force Recon marine may have more high speed-low drag training and experience than a marine truck driver, at the soul there is a feeling of unity and respect as marines.

GUE has the same thing going on. If two GUE recreational divers met two GUE technical divers, the technical divers would respect the recreational divers for being well-trained and tested divers who were smart enough to seek quality training. The recreational divers would appreciate the amount of work the technical divers put into their level of meeting high standards. Respect would be mutual and they would define themselves more as DIR divers than recreational or technical.

It's too bad the diving industry is creating the recreational vs. technical schism due to poor standards in training, poor education and diver mentoring and development, and poor equipment.

Nothing is wrong with being a recreational diver, but something is very wrong somewhere since you need to ask.
 
By the way, PDIC Open Water divers are taught to plan decompression dives to understand the dive tables and fix accidental overstays, are taught to do missed and emergency deco stop solutions, are taught to do no mask air sharing (both additional second stage & buddy breathing) while ascending and holding safety stops without a line, are taught to do rescue and plan and conduct altitude dives.

PDIC Advanced Open Water divers are taught to plan and conduct decompression dives (simulated in deep training) and are taught advanced rescue.

If any PDIC diver can't do these, then we have a quality control issue.
 
No matter what type of diver you are (rec, tec, etc.), be the best of of that type of diver. I'll take a good-solid recreational diver over a mediocre technical diver any day.
 
i heard about it from someone who said they read it in a Dive magazine dated from last year, but i didn't know PDIC Adv OW course taught how to Plan Deco dives, in my PADI AOW course they taught us nothing like that, i never learned much about Deco untill i took Advanced Nitrox...
 
Whats wrong with being a Technical diver?
 

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