What's wrong with being a recreational diver?

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To me, the line is not very clear all the time. And it doesn't help when DMs are leading people on dives they aren't really trained for. My sister was just on a trip to Cozumel, and was newly trained. She said they took her on dives to 80ft. So she was trying to stick close to the DM. But that just tells people that it's ok to go to 80ft on an OW card. And when I look back at my own AOW class, our deep dive was to 100 on a wreck.

But basically, our society is all about pushing the limits. It's like the speed limits on the highway. Most places where the speed limit is 55, it seems that the average speed is about 65. And generally I've noticed that the traffic flow tends to be about 10 mph higher then the posted speed limit.
 
I would still consider a dive to 80 feet on a basic OW card to still be a-ok and well within the limits...but that's just me. I think the 60 foot limit was started to try and push the AOW cards.
 
'Technical' diving is just a made up term created to give a warm-fuzzy feeling to Americans who spent years being told that going beyond the NDL was the work of the devil.

Simply amazing, the things you "learn" on ScubaBoard ... :shakehead:

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
It is an interesting semantic exercise to formulate a structure for divers who learned to dive within, say, the last fifteen years. Bob, Lynne, and other posters learned to dive after "technical diving" became a part of the sport. In 1973 when I was certified the types of diving that the term "technical diving" describes didn't exist.

People did die exceeding NDL, in caves, and by going too deep.

The equipment that now allows technical diving did not exist then either, there was no access to helium, educational materials were not yet written to learn from, and the "math" had yet to evolve... computers, what computers?.

Many newly certified divers do not have Bob's and Lynne's age, money, and life experiences (eg. a 23 year-old with 300 dives, and a PADI AOW card) and simply do not have the wherewithall to understand how long it's going to take to dive in a cave or to a 300 ft depth. And, we sell "technical diving" as what a diver should aspire to; the "BP/W is better than the poodle jacket" attitude, along with demanding that new divers quicky grasp diving knowledge and protocol complexties (eg. team diving and deco).

It's all a bit too much, me thinks.

I now again teach the basic scuba and AOW courses, as well as technical courses. I've taken a fresh look at the "old school NAUI" course that I learned and I am tailoring it for today's diving student. I do feel that divers need to complete a good AOW class to flesh out their skills in order to get the most out of diving within recreational limits. (I even teach drift diving in the basic open water course in a river; hilarious watching them swim upstream in 2 knots for the first time!)

But in doing the above, I do not lower expectations for a future in technical diving. I just want to make sure that the students that I teach have the skills to enjoy their recreational diving...
 
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There is nothing technical about wreck diving at it's most basic level, nor does it require any special training, just an awareness of your surroundings.

While I agree completely with everybody who says there's nothing wrong with staying within recreational limits, this comment about wreck diving not requiring any special training needs to be put in context.

If the "most basic level" means observing a wreck from the outside, then no, it doesn't require any special training. However, even AOW divers aren't automatically certified for wreck penetration or overhead environments -- this does require special equipment and training. There are far too many fatalities involving casual divers who go into a wreck or a cave without laying a reel, get lost or disoriented, and never find their way out. Watching your gauge drop to zero as you search desperately for an exit can't be a pleasant way to die.

As for me, you'll never find me inside a wreck or a cave just because overhead environments creep me out no matter what my certification level is. I've got no aspirations to be a tech diver, and rarely get below 100' as it is. The only reason I'd ever consider it would be for the self reliance skills you learn during tech training. I've never understood the desire to dive deeper just for the sake of diving deeper, although I do see a lot of it among many of my LDS's (young, hetero male) clients.
 
The 'divisions' that appear to separate some types of diving from others are largely ambiguous and hence meaningless.

Unless you are being paid to dive, (as Hick mentioned above,) your diving is recreational - or avocational if you prefer.

The regulator that you use at 30 fsw could often serve as well as 230 fsw. "Technical" merely describes varying levels of solutions to ever more complex challenges - but breathing underwater by itself is a fairly advanced technological achievement.

It all basically diving, with varying degrees of complexity, and I suspect more folks would enjoy it if some of the boundaries and lines of separation - vague at best - were recognized for the artificial constructs that they truly are.

Enjoy your diving, however you dive. Life is short.

;)
 
With regards to depths limitations, I feel that the OW, AOW and recreational 'Deep' limits are entirely suitable.

As an entry-level diver, being limited to 18m/60' allows you to enjoy a huge spectrum of dive locations, but still keeps you within a zone where an emergency OOA solo ascent (CESA) is entirely achieveable and relatively undemanding. Likewise, it keeps you in a zone where your nitrogen uptake is considerably slower and any loss of buoyancy leading to an uncontrolled rapid ascent holds far less potential for DCI complications.

As you extend your entry-level training, with the AOW course, it is logical that your buoyancy skills and ability to deal with problems/stress underwater will also increase. This means that lowering the depth limitation to 30m/100' is balanced against your increased capacity and skills.

Below the 30m/100' zone, we see a much increased impact from nitrogen narcosis, coupled with the 'double-whammy' of more rapid air consumption and very short no-deco limits. Thus, we are at a depth where our thought processes, concentration and focus are most diminished - but the impact of losing concentration can easily lead us into a error where we are both low on air and obligated to conduct a long, slow ascent with emergency decompression stop/s. Diving at the recreational depths of 30m/100' - 40m/130' demands more advanced training, skills and experience. Hence, the Deep Speciality course.

I view OW and AOW as primary and secondary entry-level courses (think of them as OW1 and OW2).

With regards to wreck and cavern diving, the agencies all have strict definitions and limitations on what diving activities can be carried out in these conditions by recreational divers. I would break these limitations down as follows:

1. External viewing/non-penetration - available to any certified scuba diver.

2. Penetration within 40m linear from surface, natural light, no restrictions, no risk of zero viz silt-out, no risk of entanglement, 2 divers able to exit side-by-side sharing air - available to any wreck speciality trained scuba diver.

3. Penetration in excess of 40m linear from surface, no deco, no natural light, some minor risk of silt-out or entanglement, inability to exit side-by-side sharing air - available to wreck divers with advanced training, high experience, team skills and specialist equipment configurations (long hose and redundant air).

4. Penetration in excess of 40m linear from surface, moderate decompression, no natural light, moderate risk of silt-out or entanglement, inability to exit side-by-side sharing air, moderate restrictions - available to technical (decompression) divers, with appropriate equipment (isolated manifold doubles and long hose) and basic level technical penetration skills.

5.
Penetration in excess of 40m linear from surface, substantial decompression, no natural light, major risk of silt-out or entanglement, inability to exit side-by-side sharing air, major restrictions, highly complex penetration routes, water movement/flow in penetration - - available to technical (decompression) divers, with appropriate equipment (isolated manifold doubles and long hose) and advanced level technical penetration skills - i.e. full cave or technical wreck training.

There is nothing 'wrong' with any of these levels, or activities, or with divers who wish to dive at them. Everyone has different interests and personal 'comfort zones'. No level is more or less 'valid' or 'worthy' than another.

The only thing that matters, is that divers recieve the appropriate education, training and experience to conduct the type of diving that they wish to persue. That they apply common sense, honest self-appraisal and moral courage to their decision making..and do not allow themselves to be drawn outside of the level of diving with which the are comfortable and capable of doing...whether that is from external peer pressure or internal ego.
 
I think it's healthier to be a little less PC and to teach something about decompression beginning with OW and to erase some of the lines. That's not to suggest that a new diver do advanced dives but that's more a matter of not having enough experience initially.

Knowledge should be for everyone.
 
What is the possible benefit of half-teaching something?

Blurring the lines only serves as a subtle confirmation that is would be 'ok' for an OW diver to do decompression dives. Yet that diver would not have the full understanding of the requirements, procedures or dangers of that pursuit. Neither would they have the in-water dive skills or problem solving capacity to run those dives safely.

KNOWLEDGE IS FOR EVERYONE..... but it should be introduced progressively and in-keeping with the individuals personal development and capacity.

Too much knowledge can definitely be a bad thing...it can leads us into situations that we understand academically, but are nonetheless unprepared to deal with.
 
Simply amazing, the things you "learn" on ScubaBoard ... :shakehead:

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

You only have to look at the myriad definitions of 'technical' diving offered in this thread to see that it is just an aspirational term, meaningless because it is so ill-defined. But, if it makes you happy to describe yourself as being a 'technical' diver...;)

Most British divers (and, I suspect, European divers in general) didn't know what 'technical' diving was until the term started in appearing in imported American books and magazines. When it was explained to us that 'technical' meant things like diving in drysuits on and in wrecks and doing planned decompression (the Horror! the Horror! You'll die!:shakehead:) most people shrugged at said, "Oh, they just mean 'diving'".
 

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