what's up with this dir stuff.

[Soggy]

I believe a more accurate statement would be "regarding a current diving philosophy", not the implication that it is the current diving philosophy. It is certainly not the diving philosophy in northeast wreckdiving, at least not in the circles that I have been diving with for the last 20 years. I'm not making a judgement . . . just an observation.

I never made an implication that it was the philosophy, but it is current, and it is a philosophy -- one of many, thus "current diving philosophies." There are a lot of us around the NE, whether you choose to believe that or not. Some of us are diving off of Gauntlet nearly every weekend (though my diving days have been limited the past couple months due to long-distance wedding planning). You won't see any of us pushing it on anyone either. We dive with the people we want to dive with, just as I'm sure you do and have a great time hanging out with everyone on the boat.

One may also make the argument that it is not "current" nor simply a "philosophy". It may be considered more of a methodologhy which has been evolving for many years.

Not current? Please explain. Seems pretty current to me.

It is a philosophy and a methodology and a gear configuration, etc, etc. That's the 'holistic' part.

Later all . . . gotta go rinse my gear . . . a bunch of us went diving yesterday and oh . . . and with over 100 years of experience on the boat, there wasn't a DIR diver in sight.

What boat and why are you so bent out of shape? I never made any implications. I just was surprised that someone in the industry had never heard of DIR/GUE especially given the controversy that it seems to create. I'm always amazed at how threatened the good ol boys can be by a group of people that have a different philosophy about diving are. Please go put your ego back in the rinse bucket.

 

[STOGEY]

"Hi!! My name is Stogey. This is gasoline and this is a lit match. Would you like to come play with me? It will be fun!"

On another site they call me the number 1 spooner. I wonder why.

 

[wreckedinri]

I never made an implication that it was the philosophy, but it is current, and it is a philosophy -- one of many, thus "current diving philosophies." There are a lot of us around the NE, whether you choose to believe that or not. Some of us are diving off of Gauntlet nearly every weekend (though my diving days have been limited the past couple months due to long-distance wedding planning). You won't see any of us pushing it on anyone either. We dive with the people we want to dive with, just as I'm sure you do and have a great time hanging out with everyone on the boat.



Not current? Please explain. Seems pretty current to me.

It is a philosophy and a methodology and a gear configuration, etc, etc. That's the 'holistic' part.



What boat and why are you so bent out of shape? I never made any implications. I just was surprised that someone in the industry had never heard of DIR/GUE especially given the controversy that it seems to create. I'm always amazed at how threatened the good ol boys can be by a group of people that have a different philosophy about diving are. Please go put your ego back in the rinse bucket.

Lighten up Francis!

 

[paulthenurse]

OK thank god my post, written in a drunken rage at the Pats performance last night, never got posted. (You have to hit the submit button, otherwise it will still be there on your computer screen in the morning, dumbarse!)

The DIR zealots espouse their 'holistic' approach to diving. According to them, if you are not Doing It Right you are, by definition, Doing It Wrong. You are unsafe, and a stroke, and are endangering the lives of every other diver on the boat.

Lighten up Francis, indeed! Please!

What started out as a bunch of good ideas was ruined by the self absorbed egotistical a-hole who promoted it. That's too bad, because some of the DIR ideas are well thought out and promote safer diving. It's also too bad that it's viewed as an all or nothing thing by the DIR zealots.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I am a cafeteria DIR diver. I'll pick out what I want to use and pass on the rest. I've adopted a long primary and my secondary under my chin. Those are, to me, good ideas.
On the other hand, I'm not hanging my head in shame cause I don't see a reason to tie on a snap to the end of my hose! I trust quick release buckles! I don't have a crotch d-ring cause I don't own a scooter! And I'm overweight! Oh Lordy Lordy, look at the stroke, Momma, look at the stroke!

The DIR folks would find many more folks embracing their ideas if they didn't insist you drink the Cool Aide. Maybe I'll just sit here in the back pew and observe, thank you very much Mr Jones.

Paul

(Ya, this is the toned down version, you wouldn't believe the one written last night! Not for nuttin, but Cory Dillon's knee was down!)

 

[Soggy]

The DIR zealots espouse their 'holistic' approach to diving. According to them, if you are not Doing It Right you are, by definition, Doing It Wrong. You are unsafe, and a stroke, and are endangering the lives of every other diver on the boat.

Where did you learn this tidbit of fallacious information? I certainly have never confronted someone on the boat to tell them they were a stroke, unsafe, and that I didn't want to be in the water anywhere near them and I have never witnessed someone doing that. There have been times when that has actually been the case (the unsafe part and me not wanting to be in the water near them), but that had nothing to do with DIR. Most DIR divers that I know hate the word "stroke" and, when it comes to actually diving, just want to be left alone. My experience has been the opposite, with receiving a fair amount of razzing for choosing to dive the way I do from old-school NE divers. Some are friends and were just teasing in good fun, which is perfectly acceptable, but others really want to argue about it.

I really hope you don't own a single piece of "Dive Rite" gear, cuz that means all your other gear is, by definition "Dive Rong"

It's also too bad that it's viewed as an all or nothing thing by the DIR zealots.

To maximize the benefit from the system, it is tough to pick and choose since everything effects everything else, but if you don't care about adhering to the system, many of the pieces will certainly benefit many divers.

Have you actually encountered DIR divers in real life that have called you a stroke and told you everything you are doing 'wrong' or is this just Internet propaganda?

 

[JeffG]

Have you actually encountered DIR divers in real life that have called you a stroke and told you everything you are doing 'wrong' or is this just Internet propaganda?

No, he just looks into the mirror with an inferiority complex.

 

[Gil57usa]

To me DIR means doing it right for yourself. Not everything is right for everyone. Be open-minded, read about it, learn from it and apply what works for you. I dive BP/W and doubles. My rig in many ways is DIR except for the things I have modified to suit my own Diving style and needs. Always keep re-evaluating your needs and equipment and keep learning.

 

[daniel f aleman]

Half-truths, lies, misinformation, selfserving, antagonistic, stupid; from one of the a-holes:

http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/text/HOGARTH3.TXT

 

[Soggy]

On the other hand, I'm not hanging my head in shame cause I don't see a reason to tie on a snap to the end of my hose!

Since you brought it up, I see from your profile picture that you use a pony bottle (it also looks like you have a *gigantic* bolt snap on your long hose...maybe that's why you don't like it). What would you do with your long hose if you ran out of gas and needed to switch to your pony bottle (this is a comment about the long hose snap, not the pony bottle)? What would you do with your long hose if you were out of gas and a buddy donated to you?

 

[markfm]

Half-truths, lies, misinformation, selfserving, antagonistic, stupid; from one of the a-holes:

http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/text/HOGARTH3.TXT

I love the bit "inefficiency due to extra mass and drag" discussing weights.
To the physics-impaired -- if you need mass, you need mass, be it via double steel tanks, a V weight, or a small block of Fermium (why mess with steel or lead when you can go to real heavy metal )

I likewise enjoyed "For the same reason, neoprene drysuits are unacceptable." I guess all those DUI owners, and the Navy types using Bare MIL units, don't know jack

For completeness, it even had 'Don't dive with strokes.'

Was that URL supposed to be a takeoff, or serious?