Whale Attacks Snorkler

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DandyDon:
Yep. This kills me: " "We had gotten extremely close, closer than we had been all week."

And what did you expect nincompoop...?! :silly:

Here's the video, with the sound of his leg being broken: http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=60340

DandyDon: Thanks for the video link. I've been diving with whales several times, Gray whales on migration to Baja. We used Zodiacs and did back rolls once we were in the pod. Never a problem. The whales looked at us with those huge eyes, moved gently away. This was just a mother protecting her baby from an unaware diver.
 
I'm going to stick my neck out here and I expect I'll take some heat for it. Just three weeks ago, I was on the very same whale snorkel expedition that these folks were on.

The folks who run this trip are consummate professionals. They've been doing it for 14 years and, to the best of my knowledge, this is first time something like this happened.

I've looked at the video and I can't determine from what I see whether the snorkler was making an attempt to get closer to the whale or whether he was being pushed by the current in a way that he couldn't control.

I can say this, however: our experience was that when a calf surfaced, either with mom, the calif typically was quite curious and would approach the snorklers (not the other way around). When Mom came up she usually did not approach us, although one time in particular she did, looking at each of us, and apparently deciding we were okay, since she then went back down and stayed in that same location (surfacing every 20 minutes or so) for the next several hours.

This was an unfortunate incident, and thankfully, the injuries were not any more severe than they were. However, at this point, I don't think enough is known to say it was an accident caused by a shift in the conditions in which the snorklers found themselves (i.e., a change in the current) or overreaching by a snorkler who couldn't resist the temptation to get too close.

The crew, I should note, drives home the importance of not getting directly over the whales when you are snorkeling with them and also the need to avoid touching them. Peer pressure is helpful in this regard, since you don't want to be the peron that disturbs the whales and causes them to cut off the encounter. In this case, the fact that there was a male escort is an interesting additional fact, since the mother tends to be more skittish and less likely to hang in one spot when a male is following them.

I'm sure we'll learn more.
 
sdwho:
I can say this, however: our experience was that when a calf surfaced, either with mom, the calif typically was quite curious and would approach the snorklers (not the other way around). When Mom came up she usually did not approach us

well, yes... what was different was that the snorkelers were on top of a sleeping mom and calf when they surfaced to breathe, and scared the crap out of the calf, who scared the crap out of the mom, who took immediate action to protect her calf

i did see the part with the current pushing the snorkelers on top of the whale

what surprises me is that none of them thought "hey, this is a REALLY BAD THING" and tried their best to get the crap out of there.

that would have been my first thought, personally. but who knows, maybe they did? as you say, we usually don't know all the relevant details in these things
 
Desert_Diver:
...the group are accidentally pushed by the current on top of the emerging whales...

That's not how it looked in the video. It looked like it took a long time for them to drift into the calf, and they weren't even trying to stay away.

Desert_Diver:
..."It surfaced right underneath us,"...

It sure doesn't look like it surfaced in the video.

Desert_Diver:
T****** said, "I kind of put my hands out to keep if from knocking us"...

I guess all motion is relative. Or maybe you could say, "I put my hands out so I'd run into the calf with my hands instead of my fins." But from the video it looks like he ran into it with his fins.

Desert_Diver:
T******* had survived the attack...

Journalism is a profession.

Gombessa:
The news clip got it right: "Never get between a mother calf and her baby." :no

Does no one know how to speak English anymore? Or maybe it's me; maybe there really is such a thing as a mother calf. I'm sorry, the news clip did not get it right.

empressdiver:
I think a swimmer on the surface snorkelling has much less control of his position in the water than a scuba diver who can avoid surface wave action and swells to a much larger extent....

That has not been my experience. All you have to do is look around, and PAY ATTENTION to where you are, and where you are going. From what I saw in the video, they easily could have paddled away from the whales if only they had started before they were already running into them. They just let themselves drift right into them.

I've run into stuff before. And every time it was because I had poor situational awareness. Even in heavy surge and current I've been able to avoid running into stuff, but only the stuff that I was paying attention to.

And to characterize the whale's action as anything other than just trying to get the H@#% out of there is just ludicrous.

I'm certainly no expert. And I've made plenty of mistakes myself. But the way this story was presented by the press just drives me crazy.
 
sambolino44:
Does no one know how to speak English anymore? Or maybe it's me; maybe there really is such a thing as a mother calf. I'm sorry, the news clip did not get it right.

I think you missed my sarcasm :eyebrow: Watch the video again and pay attention to how the anchor turns beet red right after she says that phrase.
 
Yeah, noticed the "mother calf" oops on the first play, then the guy oops with "without a local anesthetic" on the second while I guess he meant without general anesthesia. But live reporting is gonna have word oopes, no retakes, I seen worse news & weather oopes on You-tube.

I'm reminded of when I took my daughter's family to snorkel with manatees and how strongly we were cautioned to not get too close. It was the first time snorkeling for the others, after my quick pool class the night before, but they did great - had a blast. Even those gentle giants can get defensively dangerous; ever heard NetDoc's story of getting rammed by a manatee cow with calf?
 

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