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Of course I liked the story that Bob & Bill Meistrell invented the wetsuit. Interesting that Bascom was the real co-inventor. Hadn't known that.
 
Although George Bush is blamed for global warming so non of us need wet suits, you can see a couple EDCO suites in a Si-Fi move called "The Monster from the Bottom of the Sea" about the Salton Sea and bomb testing that releases a insect monster from the bottom of the Salton Sea! Very camp and cool diving gear! A must see! Dive n Surf was one of the first to do surf suites and dive suites! I bought my first "wet suit" from Jon's Surf Shop in Huntington Beach CA. The modern wet suit from Neoprene was Bob & Bill Meistrell!
 
Very interesting comment... Bob the late Billy discovered the Wet suit ...

In 1950, the time Bradner and Bascom had developed the rubber wet suit. Bob, Billy and I were participants in the Korean war, 1950-1953--however none of us were immediately discharged in 1953. (FYI One of the twins received the Bronze star for valor--I can't recall which one.).

After much red tape and government intervention Bradner launched his company EDCO (Engineering Development Corporation) via an advertisement in SDM in March 1953, page 13 announced "A new principle in Frogmen's suits." It was over two years later in the May 1955, page 18, edition of SDM that the very first advertisement for Div-n-Surf appeared to advertise the then five year old rubber wet suits technology. (FYI a full wet suit was $27.00)

Why do I know the dates and page numbers? I was an active participant of that era and I have a collection of SDMs and Catalogs.

December 1951 SDM was first published; I obtained a copy and began a life long horrible hobby of collecting and binding every issue of SDM along with most of the 81/2 X 11 catalogs since 1957 when they first appeared. A unique collection and a documentation of the beginning of a sport. (FYI: There are under 20 complete sets of SDM in the world and only one complete set of catalogs-mine.)

The use of the blue wool wire impregnated aviation suits minus the wiring was common by the dry suit users for insulation but seldom used by the free diver spear fisherman of the era, it was just too bulky too heavy and and retained considerable water . More common was long wool GI underwear worn under the bathing suit (see Jim Christensen's picture in "The last of the Blue water hunters" by Eyles) or the WW11 GI shaw type in Navy Blue or GI OD sweaters which were purchased about 2 sizes to small affording a tight fit and a small degree of thermal protection. (GI =Government Issue)

A picture of me as a very young man wearing a OD GI WW11 surplus wool sweater, black WW 11 surplus Churchills and a home made mask diving on a frightened 27 pound sheepshead painted some years ago by the old master of UW paintings, John Steel hangs in a place of honor in my home, you may also have a glimpse of it in the 50th Anniversary edition of SDM in the article by Eric Hanauer about John Steele. Matter of fact that very picture that appeared in SDM which was taken by my wife is hanging on the wall behind me.

But also bear in mind that EDCO was not the first to market a wet suit. An Orange County company had developed the concept and advertised and marketed a wet suit in the very early 1950s to the locals which was even prior to the first issued of SDM. Constructed from civilian materials available at that time , the suit lacked a certain amount of stretchability and durability. The Bradner suit on the other hand was developed from government surplus materials and readily available from a So Cal source at a bargain surplus price. So his immediately became the suit of choice.

I had a bright red OC produced suit --Dr. Bill can explain the reason for the color--Recall the old book "Morals and manners of fish?"

Dr. Bill's 1968 basic Instructor, Ron Merker, made a commercial movie in 1953 in which Ron's future wife is seen wearing a bright teal colored OC suit. That movie and my personal pictures are the only ones know of the OC suit, yet for about 3 to 4 years it was the only wet suit available to the diving world.

I do not know what happened to Carol's suit, I sold mine which was well used for $10.00 via a 1958 or 59 classified advertisement in SDM

The other suit manufactured in OC disappeared from the market place --not due to the competition but due to an unfortunate auto accident.

By 1968 there was a number of wet suit manufactures, 2 possibly more in the US and a number in the orient. I have no explanation why your fist suit deteriorated so fast other than it might have been the "Japanese rubber" that was some what prevalent in that time frame.

Now what about the dry suit? was it the politician who developed it or a Californian? an LA county UW instructor or a PADI God?

sdm
 
Now what about the dry suit? was it the politician who developed it or a Californian? an LA county UW instructor or a PADI God?

This is a great thread Sam!

The earliest I am aware of is the Pirelli that is said to have been designed in the '30's.
 
I agree, a great thread. As for the originator of the drysuit, it depends: I've read an article in the Historical Diving Society magazine about a pre-World War II long-distance swimmer in Germany using a dry rubber suit designed by the German rubber and tyre company Continental to retain warmth during an endurance swim among the islands off Germany's North Sea coast. He had to be glued into the suit after donning it to maintain watertightness. I don't have the article with me, so I can't give any dates at the moment.
 
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The intent of the question was who was the father; the developer; of the recreational dry suit? It was an American pioneer diver; author of about 10 books, LA county Underwater Instructor, a professional fire man and part time business man who developed the suit in 1947, concurrently establishing a spear fishing club that is world famous.

Richie you should know the answer---think LA --Aquatics...or his name and Aquatics. <<<My son use to date his grandaugher-SoCal diving incest?>>

You are so correct about the Italian suit --it was a spin off of famous Flotilla decima mas. They were designed and used to protect the driver and passenger while straddling the pig boats; but not for swimming. Recall their huge boots and all the layers of wool clothes they wore?

There were a number of "dry suits" produced and used by most of the major participants in WWW 11. It is suggested that you might want to review the reports of the Underwater Swimmer's Panel of the National Security Board for the list. All the then known suit for cold water were listed and were rejected by the US, primarily since it was almost impossible to swim in them.

After WW11 many appeared in the huge California surplus stores (Palley's , Do boy etc) and were purchased by the California recreational divers who also immediately rejected as being impossible to swim in

There was one suit that had a certain amount of swim ability and that was the German model which was used in March 1945 on the Rhine river at Remagen against the American bridge head in to the "Fatherland" The swimmers, I recall about a dozen, were released upstream and floated not swam to their intended target the Ludendorf bridge and several hastily constructed Bailey bridges. None were successful, all were captured, several were wounded after they didn't heed the call of a 50 cal splattering in front of them and swim immediately to shore as directed.

<<<For a number of years I have been corresponding in an information sharing relationship with Michael Jung of Germany. It is interesting that as of about 10 years ago the activity of the German frogmen in WW11 was still under wraps and declared state secret by the German government. He did manage to meet one veteran who introduced him to the others who survived the war which was the basis of his book.. >>>


Richie I read the HDS article and have reservations as it being a true developer of the dry suit, since it had a one time usage and would fit only one person who had to be glued into it. Would probably fall into the same category as the one so successfully used in the 1940s by the Norweigian Max Manus.

<<<FYI I was instrumental in the establishment of the American Historical Diving Society (HDS;) was on the founding B of D and was the first and only "Director of Sport diving" of the organization>>>

Certainly refreshing to exchange post with both of you, Gene and Richie, rather than all the experts on this board who proclaim to have the answers and write with great authority about some thing they have absolutely no knowledge or others who cloud up the issues with their snide remarks. However, they too have been valuable since they demonstrate and verify what many of my contemporaries have proclaimed to me so many times that the modern recreational diver thinks there was no diving history until they graced us with their presence and place the tip of a fin in the water.

The recreational diving history is just a few years old, but like the veterans of WW11 and I guess Korea the pioneers are departing at a rapid rate. Soon diving will revert to I think, I suppose. I guess....for the historical answers which like the posters to this thread and the majority of historical based threads --all their answers will probably be incorrect. I thank you so much for your encouraging post and comments

Now I must return to my research and writing

sdm
 
Fascinating stuff, Sam, and all new to me. On the matter of the pioneer diver, are we talking about Bill Barada, who I read made drysuits for the Bel Aqua company, later to become Aquala Sports? Didn't he also help Lloyd Bridges of "Sea Hunt" fame write his book "Mask and Flippers"? I hesitated a little before you provided the clue because I also had Arthur Brown of the Spearfisherman company in mind - he was also an early developer of drysuits. And there was also Terry Cox of Waterwear who "made a greater variety of (suits for US Divers) than anyone else in the business&#8221; according to Fred Roberts' "Basic Scuba" book.

Thanks again for sharing, Sam. I agree about the lack of knowledge of, or even interest in, the history of diving among many forum contributors.

David
 
Whodunit: Who created the neoprene wetsuit?

Who created the neoprene wetsuit? That's long been a sore point among the two entrepreneurs and a professor who each claim to be the inventor.

AT 77, Bob Meistrell leads deep-sea diving expeditions to Catalina Island and remains at the helm of Body Glove International, the multimillion-dollar Redondo Beach surf company he co-founded with his twin brother Bill half a century ago.

Jack O'Neill, 82, is a bit landlocked these days after turns as a wartime pilot, surfing legend and driving force behind Santa Cruz-based O'Neill Inc., one of the surf industry's most recognized brands.

Age forced Hugh Bradner, an 89-year-old UC Berkeley physics professor and Manhattan Project scientist, to mothball his scuba tanks a few years ago and downshift to a quiet and modest life in La Jolla.

These three Californians share more than Social Security checks. Each claims to be the father of the neoprene wetsuit, an invention that debuted in the early 1950s and revolutionized surfing and deep-sea diving.

"That's got to be the longest-standing argument in surfing," says Matt Warshaw, a San Francisco-based surf historian.

Argument hardly covers it. Mystery is more like it, a whodunit built on 50 years of boasting and recalling the successes of men who are all vying for the same crown. Each declares he's the sole inventor, dismissing the others as mere marketers.

"We developed the surf suit. I just know we did it," O'Neill says from his oceanfront home in Santa Cruz.

Meistrell, in constant motion inside the dining cabin of the company's 72-foot yacht, is similarly certain and direct. "I believe we did it first. And everyone copied us," he says.

O'Neill and Meistrell have locked horns in the wetsuit business and threatened lawsuits for decades. Each revels in his insistence that the other is wrong.

Bradner, the lone non-multimillionaire of the bunch, stakes his claim with professorial precision.

"The only invention I claim in this is the neoprene wetsuit," he says. "If somebody has documentation that precedes mine, I'd like to hear about it."

Oiled sweaters
EARLY surfers and divers routinely immersed themselves in 45-degree seas with nothing more than a swimsuit, oil-soaked wool sweaters or long underwear.

"We'd dive to 200-foot depths without wetsuits," says Jim Stewart, the former head of the underwater program at Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla. O'Neill and others experimented for a time with vests made from polyvinylchloride, or PVC. Though the vests offered some protection, they absorbed water, making them more like lead suits than wetsuits.

Then came the real thing. As the name suggests, wetsuits aren't waterproof. They work by providing an insulating layer between skin and outside air and water. Neoprene, which emerged from World War II military research on various rubbers and plastics, remains the essential material &#8212; lightweight, flexible, comfortable and durable &#8212; that most effectively keeps surfers and divers toasty even in 40-degree water.

Walk along any California beach on a winter morning and you'll see as many wetsuits as there are surfers. Ditto for divers. To this day, early surfers tend to credit O'Neill and occasionally the Meistrells; divers tend to pick the Meistrells and, once in a while, Bradner. For Body Glove and especially O'Neill Inc., the claim is an important piece of corporate lore. Each company traces its roots to the early 1950s surf and dive shop that became a mega-business with wetsuits as its core product &#8212; and founders as inventors are a key part of its image.

The O'Neill website seamlessly connects Jack O'Neill's rambunctious and colorful personality by backing up his tale of being the inventor of the wetsuit and discovering neoprene in a eureka moment.

"If you were one of Jack O'Neill's children, founder of O'Neill Inc. and wetsuit inventor," reads a passage on the O'Neill company website, "you might very well listen as he told ice-cold horror stories that drove him to develop our trusty neoprene armor."

The O'Neill site displays grainy photos to reinforce the impression of its patriarch as a cross between Capt. Nemo and Thomas Edison. Then the website continues with an even more startling revelation.

"Jack finally struck gold with neoprene, which he discovered carpeting the aisle of a DC-3 passenger plane." But that's unlikely, according to Frank Thompson, curator of the Prairie Aviation Museum in Bloomington, Ill., who says rubber was not used for carpeting, carpet lining or padding on a DC-3 or almost any passenger airplane for a simple reason: It's not fire retardant.

Body Glove takes a less direct &#8212; but no less sweeping &#8212; approach to its claim.

"Like modern-day Einsteins for the ocean, the twins used their creativity and found a new insulating material called neoprene and invented the first practical wetsuit," its website says. Meistrell readily admits that his discovery of neoprene has as much to do with Bev Morgan as it does with him. Manhattan Beach native Morgan, 73 &#8212; a member of the diving hall of fame, a surfing pioneer and dive gear inventor &#8212; made wetsuits with the twins in the early days. It's Morgan who gets the credit for inventing the wetsuit in Warshaw's "Encyclopedia of Surfing."

If O'Neill says he discovered neoprene on an airliner, how did the Meistrells and Morgan find out about it? It was from a report on wetsuits written in 1951 for the U.S. Navy and the National Research Council that was moldering on a library shelf at Scripps, according to Morgan.

At the time, Morgan was living the life of a beach bum, often driving south to La Jolla to surf. Between swells, he read about diving, hanging out at the Scripps library. "A librarian knew I was into diving and surfing and she gave me this report about wetsuits," Morgan says.

So who wrote the report?
"Jack O'Neill didn't invent the wetsuit, the Meistrells didn't invent the wetsuit and I didn't invent the wetsuit," Morgan says plainly. "Hugh Bradner invented the wetsuit. [He] was the first to use neoprene, and came up with the whole concept."

Carolyn Rainey, a research librarian at Scripps, backs Morgan's version. She mustered correspondence, research papers and conducted interviews for a scholarly article published in 1998 by Scripps called "Wetsuit Pursuit: Hugh Bradner's Development of the First Wetsuit." According to Rainey, Bradner clearly was the sole inventor. "He doesn't get the attention or notoriety he deserves," she says. "What he did was amazing and hardly anybody knows it because he's so modest."

The first splash
AS a physicist, Bradner specialized in materials. Fresh from working on developing the atomic bomb under the auspices of the Manhattan Project during the war years, he worked with the Navy.

"I looked at underwater combat and began by figuring out what needed the most improvement," Bradner says. "That was a wetsuit."

To this day, the wetsuit's basic concept is what Bradner came up with sometime in 1949: You don't have to stay dry to stay warm. From that discovery, his knowledge of materials led him to neoprene rubber.

He constructed the first wetsuit in a UC Berkeley lab. It looked similar to today's models but was bulky, heavy and stiff. Bradner took the first plunge in a neoprene wetsuit in the winter of 1950 at Lake Tahoe.

"I remember walking from shore and there was ice at the edge of the lake," he says. "I had to break it to get in. I splashed around."

Bradner founded a wetsuit-making company that he called Edco to cash in on his invention. Though he sold a handful of his early models to the Navy and others, no one expressed much interest. Bradner never patented his wetsuit design.

Edco went bust about the time the Meistrells started selling their Bradner-derived wetsuits out of Dive 'N Surf.

"I got free wetsuits," Bradner says. "But I found out I wasn't much of a businessman. I didn't think there was a good market for them."

Bradner couldn't have been more wrong. Today, O'Neill and Body Glove sell about half a billion dollars in goods a year, with wetsuits going for about $200 a pop.

When presented with Bradner's evidence, Meistrell and O'Neill soften their stances.

"Well, he [Bradner] did invent it," Meistrell says. "What we did was truly improve on it over the years."

O'Neill doesn't concede quite so much. "I've talked to Hugh and I told him what I had done and how I got started," he says. "We didn't conclude anything."

But for Bradner, it really wasn't about the money. "My concept is the basis for every subsequent design," he says with pride.

And his design almost lifted him into the same company as John Glenn and his space capsule or the Wright Brothers and their plane.

Almost. A few years ago a curator for the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C., called him, hoping to exhibit the original wetsuit.

"They were all gone by then," Bradner says.
 

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