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Wanting to go streamlined

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba' started by Ken-Tac, Feb 23, 2021.

  1. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    To the OP. When I flew into Dominican Republic for vacation, I only took my mask, regs, and DC. I had the semi long hose on my primary and a short hose. It only confused newly certified open water divers that were on the same boat.
     
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  2. Ayisha

    Ayisha DIR Practitioner

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    You should be correctly weighted before you add a pony.
     
  3. Coztick

    Coztick Contributor

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    That's true if you might hand it off. I will not.
    Thanks
     
  4. Silt Life

    Silt Life Regular of the Pub

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    So you would be overweighted with your pony?
     
  5. napDiver

    napDiver ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    This is standard practice for any extra tanks that you may drop like a stage. Dropped as in completely removed from you.

    Theres two cases you care about
    1) If you were too heavy and needed to, you can toss your pony.
    2) if you were to drop your pony and were perfectly weighted with your pony, you would be underweighted.

    If you will never remove your pony from your rig, then you can weight yourself including your pony. Like it mounted to your primary backmount tank
     
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  6. jadairiii

    jadairiii Solo Diver

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    That is the benefit of the 7' hose, you can keep in physical contact at arms length, total control. And in the total worse case scenario, you can sperate yourself from the panicking diver and they can still be on your regulator.

    There is a thought process behind all of this, just not "streamlining".
     
  7. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I'm asking softball, leading questions here, because I already am trained on a 7 ft hose and understand and use it.
    But my questions are trying to get people to do something other than spout the cave/tech mantra about long hoses...something more appropriate to the Basic forum, where people are not trying to be cave/tech divers, but often just to survive underwater.
    For example, if the other diver is not all that experienced, then an OOG situation is possibly on the edge of panic. I don't want someone on the end of a 7 ft hose trying to drag me to the surface. I want not just "touch contact" with the OOG diver, but a full, good handgrip on their BCD and maybe arm too....so they know there is a human being there to help them. I suspect all 7 ft of the hose will have gotten deployed, whether on purpose or not, and the damn thing will be in the way.
    I fear most of the 7ft hose advocates on this thread have forgotten what it is like to be a new diver.
     
  8. jadairiii

    jadairiii Solo Diver

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    Understood, but an OOA diver on the edge of panic on your 40" hose is a much worse situation than on a 7' hose. I actually took over a rescue with a OOA diver on the "edge of panic" that was on a 40" hose of another diver, it was going south quick between the two of them, got her on my 7' hose, got control of her, she immediately calmed down. And when I say "immediately calmed down", I had her by the harness, my arms extended and was looking directly in her eyes, and watched the panic drain by her second breath off my TX50.

    You will not be "dragged to the surface" on your 7' hose no more than if they were heading to the surface on the 40" hose.

    But honestly, there is a strong bias of opinion that the 7' hose is not for the "basic" diver and for some reason hard to teach. That is completely false, my daughter was deploying the long hose properly day 1 in the pool. (Rec 1). And when I showed her how the majority of new divers are rigged should couldn't understand why anyone would want to dive without a 7' primary (true story) .
     
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  9. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Your personal opinion and experience on this are appreciated. I'll go with the consensus of the training agencies, especially those who focus on brand new divers.
     
  10. jadairiii

    jadairiii Solo Diver

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    Here is one brand new diver:

    Why choose GUE Rec-1?
     

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