Using A Long Hose Isn't Just For Tech Divers

[novadiver]

Can you be more specific? Not your own hypohesis, instances that you've actually "SEEN".

1) ginnie springs. long hose and light cord entangled during s-drill . if no drill was done( and it happens) this could have been a real cf inside an overhead.
2)Elizabeth palmer. wreck. diver breathing short hose doesn't know his long hose has deployed and is now anchoring diver to the wreck. diver begins to fight against the current not knowing he's pinned. reg pops free and off the diver goes( the reg could have popped off causing massive gas loss.
3)millbrook quarry, Divers tank slips through cam strap, long hose is OVER the wing and when tank slips it takes the inflater hose with it and pulls inflater over the shoulder and behind diver, diver starts to ascend but can't find his dump ( because it's behind him) long hose is now so tight that the diver can't move his head to look for inflater. ( not that he could have found it anyway) resulting in an out of controll ascent.

add to that a panicked diver can snatch your long hose and bolt for the surface , leaving his feet at your head level. once the kicking starts you'll loss your mask and the hose stress could break the soft brass fitting and you are now SOL

 

[JDostal]

What? You don't somersaults to depth in open water like the rest of us?

Actually, I do What fun would diving be if I were that serious? I guess I should rephrase to say about 99% of the time. When the dive gets shallow though (when shore diving) with little risk, we play a lot. We like to play lots of surprise tricks on each other, which I won't describe, because I did once and my post got pulled

 

[OE2X]

50 posts with the wrong answer doesn't make it right. I've answer oeoes question to many times to count, and his only point is that it makes it easier to shair air. that's not a reason that's a cop out.

Funny - I thought that using a long hose for sharing air was the only reason to have it. It's the reason why I carry two regs for recreational single tank diving.

Is it necessary in solo diving - not that I can figure out.

When I first started diving 30 years ago, we didn't have a back up reg. We were trained to buddy breath. Since that time and wisely so - having a second reg makes an OOA much easier to deal with. Now with the tech circle to thank, using a long hose has made it even easier.

 

[ABQ]

So you advocate that we go from long hose in a wreck to standard octo for open water. Why?

When one system works perfectly for both, why not adopt that system?

Being familiar with other gear is very important when you are on a boat and you are the only one with a HOG configuration. No one has stated otherwise in this thread. Just because I don't adopt an AirII doesn't mean that I'm not familiar with it.

No such a thing as any system that's perfect for more than one environment. Physics 101.

I said in an earlier post that he should use the long hose octo anytime anywhere, especially because he's trained with it. But, he should also train with other rigs (in a "safe" environment) and other methods, just so that he knows how other equipment functions, and how others function with rigs other than his own.

You drive a BMW, others drive Chevys; are you telling me that you'll never drive anything else except your BMW; you won't or you can't? That's the difference.

 

[OE2X]

1) ginnie springs. long hose and light cord entangled during s-drill . if no drill was done( and it happens) this could have been a real cf inside an overhead.
2)Elizabeth palmer. wreck. diver breathing short hose doesn't know his long hose has deployed and is now anchoring diver to the wreck. diver begins to fight against the current not knowing he's pinned. reg pops free and off the diver goes( the reg could have popped off causing massive gas loss.
3)millbrook quarry, Divers tank slips through cam strap, long hose is OVER the wing and when tank slips it takes the inflater hose with it and pulls inflater over the shoulder and behind diver, diver starts to ascend but can't find his dump ( because it's behind him) long hose is now so tight that the diver can't move his head to look for inflater. ( not that he could have found it anyway) resulting in an out of controll ascent.

add to that a panicked diver can snatch your long hose and bolt for the surface , leaving his feet at your head level. once the kicking starts you'll loss your mask and the hose stress could break the soft brass fitting and you are now SOL

1.No one has advocated not doing an S drill. The other night I found my DS inflator over my long hose. S Drill at the surface took care of that.

2. Why was this diver breathing off their short hose? Why didn't they know the long hose was deployed? Have you never thought that this same scenario could happen to a rec. configured diver?

3. You mean to tell me that you have to look for your inflator hose to find it? As an alternative why didn't the diver use their rear dump? If the diver had been using a short hose the reg would have been pulled out of their mouth. Which scenario do you prefer. Lets see - still breathing finding inflator hose with the left hand or dumping with the rear valve or an uncontrolled ascent, not being able to breath...

4. Panicked diver on your short hose now knees you in the groin and you have the wind knocked out of you... Just improbable. Frankly I don't see a diver being able to pull a second stage off a hose while doing a swimming ascent. I keep my reg firmly attached to any of my hoses.

 

[OE2X]

No such a thing as any system that's perfect for more than one environment. Physics 101.

I said in an earlier post that he should use the long hose octo anytime anywhere, especially because he's trained with it. But, he should also train with other rigs (in a "safe" environment) and other methods, just so that he knows how other equipment functions, and how others function with rigs other than his own.

You drive a BMW, others drive Chevys; are you telling me that you'll never drive anything else except your BMW; you won't or you can't? That's the difference.

The only time I drive something else is when I don't have my car available. I can get into pretty much any car and drive it under normal conditions without too much thought.

The other thing you fail to address is that each person may function differently given the same stimuli. Freud 101. The variable here is that two buddies with different configurations may react differently to the same situation. One cannot control how the other will react.

 

[ABQ]

The variable here is that two buddies with different configurations may react differently to the same situation. One cannot control how the other will react.

Taken further: there will be different reactions in the same situation with the same equipment. Then what do you do? There's a limit to what any equipment can offer. As was said, why not a 10'? Instructor 101.

 

[WaterDawg]

Best of luck with your new freinds in the french navy.I'm sure they are going to LOVE you

Nova you avoided the issue on my post? Why? Why do you have to resort to elementery jokes? I really feel sorry for you.

 

[JimC]

Taken further: there will be different reactions in the same situation with the same equipment. Then what do you do? There's a limit to what any equipment can offer. As was said, why not a 10'? Instructor 101.

Because there isn't an efficent way to store 10'. If you know of a way, do tell. Big guys can wrap an 8', and some do. The reason I use 7' is because that is what fits me.

 

[MASS-Diver]

Taken further: there will be different reactions in the same situation with the same equipment. Then what do you do? There's a limit to what any equipment can offer. As was said, why not a 10'? Instructor 101.

I only dive with buddies that I have trained with and that dive the same rig that I do. I would not dive with someone whose rig I was not familiar. I'm not really interested in standarizing myself with poorly trained divers, all that matters to me is that my buddy and I are diving optimal rigs - once you practice sharing gas a few times, the advantages of a long hose are very, very clear.