Using A Long Hose Isn't Just For Tech Divers

[novadiver]

It seems you can't help being the driver in a bunch of train wrecks I have seen on SB We are just passengers waiting to see which train goes down again!! :11:

one day there will be songs about my exploits.songs about the one who stood against the s@@t storm and won.

 

[JDostal]

I'll jump into the fray (fire?) and give a few solid reasons for using it:

I'm trained in using it. My cave training has taught me to use it, and I've found that using a 7' hose in an OOA is infinitely more comfortable and manageable than trying to bend your neck just right and be chest to chest with your buddy in an OOA. I've never done a real life OOA, just lots of drills (in class and "self-inflicted") and my exiting a cave or swimming to the surface is INFINTELY easier than trying to do it while untangling your legs and bodies while using the short hose.

I treat every dive like a cave dive. When I get back into a cave/wreck after doing OW diving, I don't want to be unfamiliar with the gear for it. My gear changes very little when I do open water diving. I don't take a primary reel, but other than that...my gear doesn't change. This gives me an extremely high degree of familiarity with my gear and when I need to use it, it's a natural act.

Third, it's personal preference, which is what this all boils down to. I like the long hose...it makes sense to me and it's logical. And if it works for you...why change it?

 

[simbrooks]

I'll jump into the fray (fire?) and give a few solid reasons for using it:

I'm trained in using it. My cave training has taught me to use it, and I've found that using a 7' hose in an OOA is infinitely more comfortable and manageable than trying to bend your neck just right and be chest to chest with your buddy in an OOA. I've never done a real life OOA, just lots of drills (in class and "self-inflicted") and my exiting a cave or swimming to the surface is INFINTELY easier than trying to do it while untangling your legs and bodies while using the short hose.

I treat every dive like a cave dive. When I get back into a cave/wreck after doing OW diving, I don't want to be unfamiliar with the gear for it. My gear changes very little when I do open water diving. I don't take a primary reel, but other than that...my gear doesn't change. This gives me an extremely high degree of familiarity with my gear and when I need to use it, it's a natural act.

Third, it's personal preference, which is what this all boils down to. I like the long hose...it makes sense to me and it's logical. And if it works for you...why change it?

But even with all this compelling evidence, it doesnt mean that certain people will not be wholeheartedly against it! I for one am with you though

 

[StSomewhere]

I'll jump into the fray (fire?) and give a few solid reasons for using it:

I'm trained in using it. My cave training has taught me to use it (snip)

But the original post was about *non-tech* divers using the long hose. Nobody doubts whether its appropriate for tech divers. The question is whether its appropriate for *all* divers, OW and up.

 

[ABQ]

"I'm trained in using it."

"I treat every dive like a cave dive."

I agree with the first statement, the second, no. Nature hates a hybrid. You need to adapt to each dive and every dive - they are all different in some way; some will require you to change equipment. You need to know how to dive with many different dive configurations.

Maybe you are the only cave-hog-rig on the boat with 11 others who aren't; are you going to dive?

 

[doole]

Maybe you are the only cave-hog-rig on the boat with 11 others who aren't; are you going to dive?

For instance - cancel a dive in paradise because everybody else is in BCs?

Not bloody likely. I'm splashing like the one that got thrown back...

 

[Jason B]

ABQ...it's called muscle memory.
An OOA situation is not the time for a diver to think "which config am I using today...do I donate what I'm breathing or do I have an octopus today?". Wrong answer, if you dive the long hose in the caves, then you dive it in ow.

Jason

 

[JimC]

I guess useing quotes from the NSS manual just didn't answer your questions,

If I had to write a movie I'd call it "silence of the clams" Bruce Willis would play Hannabalnova and Peewee herman would have his pick of parts for you all. depending on if Micheal Jackson was out of jail. them MJ would play jonny

Actualy, Nova, I was asking where you got your "breath the backgas to nothing, use the stage as the backup 1/3rd". I also asked you to provide ANY backup or support. Yet to answer ether, because people just don't dive stages like that unless they have a death wish.

 

[jonnythan]

I find it interesting that nova gets all his supporting information directly from a cave diving manual.

 

[ABQ]

ABQ...it's called muscle memory.
An OOA situation is not the time for a diver to think "which config am I using today...do I donate what I'm breathing or do I have an octopus today?". Wrong answer, if you dive the long hose in the caves, then you dive it in ow.

Jason

I agree with him using the 7' at anytime. What I disagree with is the broad idea of treating any and all dives like a cave dive, ie. an openwater boat dive is not a cave dive (akin to another saying that he will treat all dives like openwater dives).