Using A Long Hose Isn't Just For Tech Divers

[JimC]

For me its simple as this. The long hose presents no problems, no additional difficulty over a standard config and makes AOO's more comfortable to manage and provides you with options that you don't have on a rec rig.

Or does anyone think its any harder to stow a long hose and it is to stow an octo clean. Or that it is any more difficult to donate your primary rather than an octo?

Nether of these skills are difficult to learn with a bit of practice. The long hose doesn't add any extra task loading over the use of an octo.

1. How does this piece of kit enhance the dive
It makes situations where you need to donate easier to manage and provides the divers with more options to deal with it.

2. How does it impact the rest of the system
It requires a bit of practice to deploy and stow correctly. In my opinion both of these are easier to accomplish than it is to stop and deploy an octopus correctly.

 

[novadiver]

Actualy, Nova, I was asking where you got your "breath the backgas to nothing, use the stage as the backup 1/3rd". I also asked you to provide ANY backup or support. Yet to answer ether, because people just don't dive stages like that unless they have a death wish.

and yet you can't bring yourself to read the name of the thread. it's not about stage diving, it's about "useing a stage bottle for reserve" . this is obviosly lost on some of the divers here

I don't buy my gear at " nubs-R-us" If I didn't know it would work , I'd sell it on ebay

 

[novadiver]

I find it interesting that nova gets all his supporting information directly from a cave diving manual.

as well you should.

 

[JimC]

and yet you can't bring yourself to read the name of the thread. it's not about stage diving, it's about "useing a stage bottle for reserve" . this is obviosly lost on some of the divers here

I don't buy my gear at " nubs-R-us" If I didn't know it would work , I'd sell it on ebay

Which is why I followed you to the other bored. And ofcourse, I forgot, your equipment is immune to malfunction.

My bad.

 

[novadiver]

Which is why I followed you to the other bored. And ofcourse, I forgot, your equipment is immune to malfunction.

My bad.

It's sad to think that even back up gear will fail at the same time primary gear has failed, If you could site ONE accident or incident were this has happened I would at least listen to your opinion.

and IMHO if this should happen, your numbers being punched by a higher authority

 

[JDostal]

I agree with the first statement, the second, no. Nature hates a hybrid. You need to adapt to each dive and every dive - they are all different in some way; some will require you to change equipment. You need to know how to dive with many different dive configurations.

Maybe you are the only cave-hog-rig on the boat with 11 others who aren't; are you going to dive?

It's actually pretty streamlined. A computer on my wrist. A reg. A backplate and wings. Wetsuit. Fins. Mask. HID light if at night or deep.

I find I actually have less gear than a lot of other people

I know quite a few people that are OW only certified (okay...Rescue at least) that use a long hose. I see no reason why it wouldn't be appropriate for them, as long as they are shown how to use it. And it ain't rocket science, that's for sure.

But like I said earlier...it's whatever you are comfortable with. Me personally, I feel uncomfortable diving with a short hose. And I do change my gear depending on conditions. For a cave I add a primary reel and line arrows...for a wreck a lift bag and a spool There is definitely something to be said about minimalism

 

[hermosadive]

...I've seen long hoses become dangerous to the diver wearing it.:death2:

Can you be more specific? Not your own hypohesis, instances that you've actually "SEEN".

I've only run into one instance where the long hose proposed a problem. My buddy, diving a standard rec setup, had a hose mounted knife. While swimming close, side by side, the handle of his knife hooked around the hose which I then notice when the regulator began to tug in my mouth. There really wasn't a problem, I just paused and de-snagged us. If the reg had been pulled from my mouth I have my bungied backup within easy reach. Actually, I wouldn't even say the 7' hose was the problem, I would put the error on my buddy's unstreamlined, entanglement prone configuration.

 

[JDostal]

I agree with him using the 7' at anytime. What I disagree with is the broad idea of treating any and all dives like a cave dive, ie. an openwater boat dive is not a cave dive (akin to another saying that he will treat all dives like openwater dives).

I should explain a little more on this. I treat it "kinda" like a cave dive, which means....

I stay horizontal
I don't touch the bottom
I frog kick
I use the 7' hose
Maintain trim
Do predive s-drills, air planning, etc.

Keeps the skills sharp. But hey, like I said...it's all opinion!

 

[ABQ]

What? You don't somersaults to depth in open water like the rest of us?

 

[OE2X]

I agree with the first statement, the second, no. Nature hates a hybrid. You need to adapt to each dive and every dive - they are all different in some way; some will require you to change equipment. You need to know how to dive with many different dive configurations.

Maybe you are the only cave-hog-rig on the boat with 11 others who aren't; are you going to dive?

So you advocate that we go from long hose in a wreck to standard octo for open water. Why?

When one system works perfectly for both, why not adopt that system?

Being familiar with other gear is very important when you are on a boat and you are the only one with a HOG configuration. No one has stated otherwise in this thread. Just because I don't adopt an AirII doesn't mean that I'm not familiar with it.