Using A Long Hose Isn't Just For Tech Divers

[detroit diver]

In fact, when practicing (and in real situation) the rescue of a toxing diver, the extra 2 feet of hose is almost required. The approach is from the back, with your right arm underneath the toxing divers right armpit and into his/her mouth. Its a very awkward and demanding skill, and the extra hose makes it so you don't have to fight with the hose AND the situation.

As for the color of the hose, at depth the colors wash out anyway and they all become one shade of grey.

In practicing OOA situations, it occurred to me that there might be some benefit to having enough hose for the donor to get behind the OOA diver. I was thinking in terms of a couple more feet of hose. I also noted the dive shop sells long yellow octo hoses, but I thought having my hose long, rather than the octo hose (since a real OOA diver not practicing with me would grab my reg out of my mouth) would make more sense. How should a person properly route a 5 foot hose? It seems to me that it would make a big loop to get snagged on stuff. Does a 5 foot hose make any sense, or should I just try to find someone who can teach the 7 foot hose? We have a DM here who uses one all the time, so that wouldn't be too tough.

 

[jeffinhburg]

In fact, when practicing (and in real situation) the rescue of a toxing diver, the extra 2 feet of hose is almost required. The approach is from the back, with your right arm underneath the toxing divers right armpit and into his/her mouth. Its a very awkward and demanding skill, and the extra hose makes it so you don't have to fight with the hose AND the situation.

That makes a lot of sense. I was also thinking in terms of being able to get to the other person's first stage in case it was a simple equipment thing and not a true OOA, but rescue positioning would be another good reason.

What would be the proper routing for a five foot hose on my primary? If I take it under my arm and then up, would that be safe, and would it take up enough of the slack to keep from dragging a big loop around?

 

[Uncle Pug]

I thought this board is for everyone regarless of level of "professional" to help each other to build a better diving community, not to mock another person's question.
Charles.

Dave (wedivebc) truly is a very nice guy. He was just making a funny comment. Laugh and let it go... knowing Dave, I'm certain it wasn't meant to mock or demean you.

 

[detroit diver]

In fact, when practicing (and in real situation) the rescue of a toxing diver, the extra 2 feet of hose is almost required. The approach is from the back, with your right arm underneath the toxing divers right armpit and into his/her mouth. Its a very awkward and demanding skill, and the extra hose makes it so you don't have to fight with the hose AND the situation.

That makes a lot of sense. I was also thinking in terms of being able to get to the other person's first stage in case it was a simple equipment thing and not a true OOA, but rescue positioning would be another good reason.

What would be the proper routing for a five foot hose on my primary? If I take it under my arm and then up, would that be safe, and would it take up enough of the slack to keep from dragging a big loop around?

The 5 ft would come across your chest, around the back of your neck, and into your mouth. The slack really depends on your body measurements.

One of the reasons I didn't like the 5 ft hose was exactly the situation you refer to. The loop seemed to just hang in front of me with nothing to "secure" it. The 7 foot gave me the option of either tucking it under my cannister light if I was wearing one, or tucking it in my waist strap if I wasn't. Either way, it wasn't just "hanging there".

 

[novadiver]

You should be happy that Rec divers see the advantages of using tech equipment. Emulation is the sincerest form of flattery.

And lets not forget that on any given day, tech and rec members alike have to wade through numerous posts where the advantages of BP/wing, long hose, doubles, (etc, etc, etc) are promoted by technically trained divers who feel tech configuration and techniques are the safest way to go.

But now that it appears the message has been heard, what I am hearing for you is:

1) Using a long hose is somehow complicated and therefore dangerous unless you have the proper level of training, and

2) that your ego is apparently not getting the massage you'd like it to get because when you go on a dive boat you no longer stand out from many rec divers who also use a long hose and BP/wing.

3) and of course you have to show your alledged superiority by denigrating long hose rec users with "posers with the hosers" comments.

Your attitude and your willingness to spout logical fallacies like indicating a long hose is not safe for rec divers without lots of special training as it is not used in discover scuba sessions is giving the rest of us a bad name, so you need to quiet for awhile. I don't think any of us gain from maintaining some sort of mythical status to tech diving. But if I was inclined to think that way, I would pine away for the days when tech training was not big business and was more of a mentorship process with a much more selctive recruitment process where egomanics and super macho types with something to prove were discouraged from pursuing the sport.

I stongly disagree. go to any spring in FL and watch how many cavers come back up after the S drill to reroute that long hose. and now tell me that you think it's a good idea to put on on a newbie

 

[scubatexastony]

Reading thru this thread, I feel a lot of the infomation being given should be prefaced by: "I have done, This is how I/we.." or "I have read/ heard". I feel this would give the person seeking info the insite to persue that responder for pertainant information.
DD posts, and you can read into his resonse (I/we) practice...

In fact, when practicing (and in real situation) the rescue...... QUOTE] so I could follow up with a question to him knowing he has actually used a 7' hose while training on tox diver rescue. Lamont ends his post...by "speaking from experience"

The long hose comes in useful for dealing with buoyancy issues

I put my wife in a b/p, long (5') hose right out her open water in June '02, and her first 20 or so dives were in 1-5' vis 25' max. depth. I feel her bouyancy control and comfort level was honed in thru this type of set up and dive conditions. Just checked her log book and she's up to 160 dives and all with the same set up.

jeffinhburg,

How should a person properly route a 5 foot hose?

Use the primary (first stage) port that aims to your right and down to attach your long hose. It will go under your right arm, across your chest and around your neck. We use a 45 degree elbow at the second stage for strain relief. Put a bolt snap a couple inches from the second stage to the hose to allow for a docking point to your b/c right shoulder d-ring while setting up.

This is another failure point spouts "I've read it somewhere"..... well, it's an acceptable risk I/we use to fine tune our rigs. I recommend to DIVE and get VERY confortable with your gear and surroundings. Bouyancy and breathing, fogged/flooded mask, equalizing should all be second nature. Until you have responded to a rescue, practice. After you have faced an OOA/ uncontrolled accent/ panic,tox diver.... practice some more.

SORRY for being so grouchy, but all this work and NO diving has an affected me.

tony

 

[novadiver]

part of the hipocracy on boards like these comes from the mods. they let fly anything that comes from the IN CLICK, while not thinking about the safety of new divers. new divers have more to think about and are under more stress. so the KEEP IT SIMPLE theory goes out the window because some elitist crumpacker tells the masses what they want to hear , and anyone with the slightest clue that comes to help is turned on and trashed by the click of the day.


If you doubt me , search " how to route a long hose" and find out for yourself how many of the divers here don't and can't route a long hose properly.

In the future, don't call into question my history ( diving) my ego, my training, or the reason I waste time trying to help new divers stay away from the elitest snobs that DKS about diving.


If your really interested using a long hose , PM me and I'll let you know the skinny , If you read this board and get hurt , well, you deserve it . don't you?

 

[novadiver]

Red flags! Breathing your back gas empty before touching your stage is just, uhh, not bright. Single point of failure, a few diferent ways in the most critical place.

If I'm bringing that much gas then chances are good I'm bringing deco gas and when doing deco dives all that is required is to make it to your first stop. and as I've posted before" If I didn't think my gear would work when I need it, I'd throw it away"

The real red flag is that training org on your profile jim

 

[MASS-Diver]

If I'm bringing that much gas then chances are good I'm bringing deco gas and when doing deco dives all that is required is to make it to your first stop.

Again, this is true only if you are solo diving (as you are).

 

[Kim]

part of the hipocracy on boards like these comes from the mods. they let fly anything that comes from the IN CLICK, while not thinking about the safety of new divers.

That is a very blanket accusation......which is certainly not true. When Mods react in a thread like this they post as ordinary members with their own point of view. They consequently do not moderate in those threads. Furthermore, the Mods do not all have identical ideas about what works best in different cases - believe it or not we often disagree with each other. Often there is no 100% right answer. It is a question of individual preference and opinion.