Using A Long Hose Isn't Just For Tech Divers

[SeanQ]

This thread has turned into a :bomb:

I stongly disagree. go to any spring in FL and watch how many cavers come back up after the S drill to reroute that long hose. and now tell me that you think it's a good idea to put on on a newbie

There is nothing special about a 7 foot hose that makes it safer than a standard length hose. It doesn't guarantee an OOA diver gets the regulator or or that the gas they breath is safe for their profile.

A 7 foot hose does guarantee that when the OOA diver gets a regulator it will work. It won't be clogged with sand, grit, or other debris. It ensures that when they get a regulator, they get a working regulator that allows them a greater freedom of movement. The regulator they need is always in the same place.

Your comparison between a caver and a newbie lacks a point. Obviously a newbie is not as experianced as a cave diver yet that it not a valid arguement against using a long hose. When was the last time you saw a cave diver breathing from their short hose while letting the long hose drag? The comparison doesn't hold up.

The long hose is safe for a newbie provided they practice using it before a real OOA situation. The cave divers you were watching were probably not routing the long hose properly. Watch this video to see how easy it is to properly route the long hose after deploying it.

 

[novadiver]

Again, this is true only if you are solo diving (as you are).

I'm not following your logic Mass-diver. If I'm diving as a team member. no one blows off that first stop. that's part of the problem with using Rock bottum calcs. I'd rather use the 1/3rds rule for turning, than calculate my team members sac under pressure before the dive.( can't be done) and it wastes gas. I'd rather plan my deco times useing backgas and do gas switching to get me out faster, This may sound funny, but back in the old days, deco with o2 was done by doing 75% of the deco time using standard air tables,

 

[JeffG]

part of the hipocracy on boards like these comes from the mods. they let fly anything that comes from the IN CLICK, while not thinking about the safety of new divers.

If that was true....most of your posts would be gone

 

[JimC]

If I'm bringing that much gas then chances are good I'm bringing deco gas and when doing deco dives all that is required is to make it to your first stop. and as I've posted before" If I didn't think my gear would work when I need it, I'd throw it away"

The real red flag is that training org on your profile jim

Right, I forgot, your regs are immune to free flows and other problems,. My Bad.
I don't think there is an agency out there that would breath back gas to nothing while using a stage as reserve.

Which org would that be, Nova?

 

[novadiver]

If that was true....most of your posts would be gone

nice try jeff

 

[novadiver]

Right, I forgot, your regs are immune to free flows and other problems,. My Bad.
I don't think there is an agency out there that would breath back gas to nothing while using a stage as reserve.

Which org would that be, Nova?

I don't know if you know this but, I can think on my own with the help of an elitist org to tell me how to breath, on most of the decos I do ,TIME not GAS is the factor. Gas is only the factor in planning max bottom and contingency planning.

Now, if my reg freeflows then I turn it off, bang it and turn it back on. If it still freeflows I take the front cover off and clean it. Now which org does it seem like I got training from? It sure isn't the one that says "hold hands and pose for the pictures"

I know this is hard to fathom, but you can bring more gas to even out tank sizes between divers or just for fun.


example for the hard headed: just because you buy a 12 pack of beer, doesn't mean you HAVE to drink all 12 as fast as you can, only newbies do that

 

[MASS-Diver]

I'm not following your logic Mass-diver. If I'm diving as a team member. no one blows off that first stop. that's part of the problem with using Rock bottum calcs. I'd rather use the 1/3rds rule for turning, than calculate my team members sac under pressure before the dive.( can't be done) and it wastes gas. I'd rather plan my deco times useing backgas and do gas switching to get me out faster, This may sound funny, but back in the old days, deco with o2 was done by doing 75% of the deco time using standard air tables,

You posted that you only need to get gas to get to this first deco stop. This isn't even true in solo diving (if you have problem with the deco bottle), but my point was that it is espically not true for team diving. Rock bottom, btw, includes deco stops?

 

[JimC]

*snip*

Rather not side track the thread any more than it already has been. If you want to dis GUE and breath stage bottles last on another thread, bring it there and I'll find you.

 

[novadiver]

You posted that you only need to get gas to get to this first deco stop. This isn't even true in solo diving (if you have problem with the deco bottle), but my point was that it is espically not true for team diving. Rock bottom, btw, includes deco stops?

That's in the event of back gas failure, and btw I'd hit deco gas on an excellorated ascent all the way to the first stop. I've seen divers doing rock bottom calcs and come up with numbers like 50 cuft. on a 95 cuft tank. that's a waste, where does all this BS come from. It's amazing how some can proclaim " safety first" and then tell a newbie to rap a seven foot hose over their wing, under their light, around their neck and into their yap, and then tell them their a safer diver. Good luck with all of that, because the first step was wrong( over the wing) and that makes it a danger to new divers. Keep it simple for new divers because the long hose IS simple for more expereanced divers and newbies don't need more stress. MORE stress is not safe it's just dumb

 

[novadiver]

Rather not side track the thread any more than it already has been. If you want to dis GUE and breath stage bottles last on another thread, bring it there and I'll find you.

I didn't say any name of any org.

and if you want to move this to a " more open board" PM me, and I'll start a thread that will shoot down all your training with history, training and logic. just don't bring any weak arguements because the other divers there will chew your @@@ off