Shasta_man
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You asked Dandy Don about checking CO?! I think his picture is in the manual next to the instructions for doing that. 
Two tourists die in Vietnam diving accident
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My initial take on this kind of mishap is bad gas, a bad dive plan or a badly blown aggressive dive plan.
Absent any other info than 2 dead, one unconscious it's impossible to tell which of those it is.
Rick
Absent any other info than 2 dead, one unconscious it's impossible to tell which of those it is.
Rick
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It may take me some time to find a link. The risks have been generally ignored in sport diving so much that it's difficult to find much, even DAN largely ignores it. The ability to monitor for CO as air comes out of the compressor is relatively new and most just haven't bothered adding modern equipment, and affordable, portable analyzers are very new so we're just getting started on busting bad tanks before accidents. As more divers travel with portable testers tho, and decline tainted tanks, maybe change will happen - except I have already witnessed a case where the diver wouldn't post here about the 17 ppm for fear for a libel suit.
A few governments have legal limits to CO content in tank air..
Canada's diving CO spec for air is 5 ppm, maybe changing to 3
USA with its CGA Grade E is 10 ppm
Australia is 10 ppm
Britain has the tightest CO spec at 3 ppm.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/PUBNS/dvis9.pdf
Rest of Europe is 15 ppm, and I think they use your Drager unit
Most of the diving world - not controlled
The risks increase significantly in warmer climates where even electric compressors can produce CO when they get hot enough to burn their lubrication oil, and those are the ones with no rules.USA with its CGA Grade E is 10 ppm
Australia is 10 ppm
Britain has the tightest CO spec at 3 ppm.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/PUBNS/dvis9.pdf
Rest of Europe is 15 ppm, and I think they use your Drager unit
Most of the diving world - not controlled
swamp diver
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It appears that the "diving" was actually snorkeling and that explosives used for fishing may be to blame.
Snorkellers may have died from fishing blast: Vietnam police
Two foreign tourists who died while snorkelling in Vietnam may have been killed in a blast caused by fishing explosives, police said on Wednesday.
Frenchman Philippe Bousseau died along with a Russian tourist on Monday in waters around Cau island in Binh Thuan province of southern Vietnam, police said.
A second Russian tourist who was injured in the incident told investigators that he heard an explosion before losing consciousness, said Phan The Nam, an officer with the provincial police.
"According to our initial information, it is probable that certain people threw explosives for fishing into the water," Nam said.
Using explosives for fishing is widespread in Vietnam even though it is banned.
Nam said the victims were not snorkelling in a designated area and the investigation into the deaths was continuing.
"We haven't yet determined the cause of their death. We are examining their bodies and the accident scene," he said.
A detective, who declined to be named, said local residents rescued one snorkeller. Fishermen then pulled the others from the water but they were already dead.
A French embassy spokeswoman confirmed that the French tourist had died. A spokesman from Moscow's diplomatic mission could not be immediately reached.
The surviving Russian was examined at the provincial hospital and released, a nurse said.
Binh Thuan is a popular tourist destination famed for its sand dunes at Mui Ne, near the Hai Au Resort.
Snorkellers may have died from fishing blast: Vietnam police < French news | Expatica France
Snorkellers may have died from fishing blast: Vietnam police
Two foreign tourists who died while snorkelling in Vietnam may have been killed in a blast caused by fishing explosives, police said on Wednesday.
Frenchman Philippe Bousseau died along with a Russian tourist on Monday in waters around Cau island in Binh Thuan province of southern Vietnam, police said.
A second Russian tourist who was injured in the incident told investigators that he heard an explosion before losing consciousness, said Phan The Nam, an officer with the provincial police.
"According to our initial information, it is probable that certain people threw explosives for fishing into the water," Nam said.
Using explosives for fishing is widespread in Vietnam even though it is banned.
Nam said the victims were not snorkelling in a designated area and the investigation into the deaths was continuing.
"We haven't yet determined the cause of their death. We are examining their bodies and the accident scene," he said.
A detective, who declined to be named, said local residents rescued one snorkeller. Fishermen then pulled the others from the water but they were already dead.
A French embassy spokeswoman confirmed that the French tourist had died. A spokesman from Moscow's diplomatic mission could not be immediately reached.
The surviving Russian was examined at the provincial hospital and released, a nurse said.
Binh Thuan is a popular tourist destination famed for its sand dunes at Mui Ne, near the Hai Au Resort.
Snorkellers may have died from fishing blast: Vietnam police < French news | Expatica France
gryder
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DandyDon, your interest and posts on CO analysis has had a big impact on me - I have a lot of overseas destinations (home is Australia) on my bucket list and I have already started saving for my CO analyser. Thanks for making us aware of the risks and the frequency of the problem. I'd never heard of it before I started reading your threads.
I found this link.
It is interesting that explosives were being used. That certainly is not good way to attract divers. My, oh my! And it is not a sustainable means of fishing.
SeaRat
Philippe's Sister
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Hi,
i'm Philippe Bousseau sisters, the french man died.... 4 days after his death we don't have any more information exept those 2 articles, it's incredible ! Even his family didn't know if he was snorkling or diving.... Usually he dives, it was a passion !
If someone can give us some informations or know something please help us, we don't even know when he'll be back to us in France !
i'm Philippe Bousseau sisters, the french man died.... 4 days after his death we don't have any more information exept those 2 articles, it's incredible ! Even his family didn't know if he was snorkling or diving.... Usually he dives, it was a passion !
If someone can give us some informations or know something please help us, we don't even know when he'll be back to us in France !
I am sorry for your loss.
My advise would be to call the French Embassy in Vietnam (assuming there is one) and also book the soonest ticket to take a flight over to personally handle things on the ground in Vietnam. The embassy should be able to help you secure a visa quickly if needed to enter the country.
This is a 3rd world country and it is tough to work thru things and get answers from a distance. It will also be difficult if you are in Vietnam but with the help of your embassy, a translator (your embassy should be able to help secure one) and being personally in the country then you will have a better chance. If someone along the way trys to convince you that it is not necessary to come to the country I would consider carefully how comfortable you are with having a stranger handle such a personal family matter.
I would also determine if your brother was covered by one of the Dive Accident Insurances like DAN. If so then I would advise you to contact them as they may be of help. The dive insurance may also cover family member travel and repaitriation of your brother back to France.
John
To Phillipp's Sister, and Family,
Our sincerest condolescences. I think John Katterenchuk has good advise for you. You might also contact the Diver's Alert Network, or DAN at:
DAN Divers Alert Network
1-800-446-2671 or 1-919-684-2948, Mon-Fri, 8:30am-5:00pm (ET)
http://diversalertnetwork.org/contact/index.asp
Also, they have a DAN Asia-Pacific contact at:
DAN Asia-Pacific - Korea
(010) 4500-9113
http://diversalertnetwork.org/contact/international.asp#DAN Asia-Pacific
e-mail: info@danasiapacific.org
Someone there may have more advise, perhaps with contacts in Vietnam.
John (SeaRat)
Our sincerest condolescences. I think John Katterenchuk has good advise for you. You might also contact the Diver's Alert Network, or DAN at:
DAN Divers Alert Network
1-800-446-2671 or 1-919-684-2948, Mon-Fri, 8:30am-5:00pm (ET)
http://diversalertnetwork.org/contact/index.asp
Also, they have a DAN Asia-Pacific contact at:
DAN Asia-Pacific - Korea
(010) 4500-9113
http://diversalertnetwork.org/contact/international.asp#DAN Asia-Pacific
e-mail: info@danasiapacific.org
Someone there may have more advise, perhaps with contacts in Vietnam.
John (SeaRat)
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