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I got a question for you guys about trimix. My boyfriend is going to be taking the entry level and advanced trimix course. I have to say, I'm a little nervous with him taking this course. He is an experienced diver in many different conditions. What exactly does the trimix course allow him to do? And do you have any recommendations on dives he could do before diving the Doria for more practice? Any information would be great! Thanks!
 
Nitrogen is essentially your enemy for bottom time.
Oxygen is your enemy for depth.
Helium is the inert gas that allows you to dive deeper, with more bottom time (or more safely). Then there are different types of timix, those that have standard oxygen content (21%), and those that cannot be breathed at the surface as they would not have enough oxygen. There are many more conditions, but I think that this is the easiest way to explain it. I would most certainly recommend more training dives before trying the doria. Although I have not dove it myself, it is quite a challenging dive. Depending on his dive history I would recommend training with travel, and deco mixes as well as experience in deep, dark, current. Not to worry, if he is trained properly, and takes the time to master the skills required for this dive, he will be fine. Hope this helps.
 
Regular air contains 21% oxygen and the rest is basically nitrogen. That percentage of nitrogen causes an anesthetic effect at depths greater than about 100 ft. that reduces mental ability and coordination.

With trimix, helium is used to replace part of the nitrogen. Since helium has less of an anesthetizing effect than nitrogen, divers can go much deeper and still have an equivalent nitrogen depth of less than 100'. That means they can go to 200 or 300 feet and have the same clarity of thought and coordination they would have at 100 ft or less. That provides a great increase in safety during the dive.

There is no free ride however. Helium is a "faster" gas that is absorbed and released faster than nitrogen so there are some differences in decompression schedules and ascent rates are more critical. Decompression stops tend to be deeper and it's very common to use higher percentage O2 mixes (nitrox) to speed decompression. Helium also causes divers to lose more heat through respiration so good thermal protection is even more critical.

On very deep dives, (below about 190 to 240 ft feet) oxygen toxicity begins to become a problem with mixes with "normal" 21% oxygen, so the oxygen is reduced for mixes used on deeper dives to avoid problems with toxicity. If the O2 percentage is below about 16%, it is not enough to support a diver at the surface, so divers need to use a "travel mix" until they get to 60-70 feet underwater to ensure they get enough oxygen. So trimix diving gets more complex and it becomes very critical that divers follow very careful procedures in identifying and switching to the right gas mix at each point in the dive. That is a major focus of technical training as one of the biggest potential killers of technical divers is switching to a gas with too much O2 in it.

But, if the BF is an experienced diver, is careful and is not generally absent minded to begin with, he will do fine with trimix diving. And if he plans to explore deeper wrecks, trimix will let him do it with a much higher degree of safety.
 
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Regular air contains 21% oxygen and the rest is basically nitrogen. That percentage of nitrogen causes an anesthetic effect at depths greater than about 100 ft. that reduces mental ability and coordination.

With trimix, helium is used to replace part of the nitrogen. Since helium has less of an anesthetizing effect than nitrogen, divers can go much deeper and still have an equivalent nitrogen depth of less than 100'. That means they can go to 200 or 300 feet and have the same clarity of thought and coordination they would have at 100 ft or less. That provides a great increase in safety during the dive.

There is no free ride however. Helium is a "faster" gas that is absorbed and released faster than nitrogen so there are some differences in decompression schedules and ascent rates are more critical. Decompression stops tend to be deeper and it's very common to use higher percentage O2 mixes (nitrox) to speed decompression. Helium also causes divers to lose more heat through respiration so good thermal protection is even more critical.

On very deep dives, (below about 190 to 240 ft feet) oxygen toxicity begins to become a problem with mixes with "normal" 21% oxygen, so the oxygen is reduced for mixes used on deeper dives to avoid problems with toxicity. If the O2 percentage is below about 16%, it is not enough to support a diver at the surface, so divers need to use a "travel mix" until they get to 60-70 feet underwater to ensure they get enough oxygen. So trimix diving gets more complex and it becomes very critical that divers follow very careful procedures in identifying and switching to the right gas mix at each point in the dive. That is a major focus of technical training as one of the biggest potential killers of technical divers is switching to a gas with too much O2 in it.

But, if the BF is an experienced diver, is careful and is not generally absent minded to begin with, he will do fine with trimix diving. And if he plans to explore deeper wrecks, trimix will let him do it with a much higher degree of safety.


good explanation! i dont know much about trimix but im taking the course sometime nextyear. your post has answered a lot of my basic questions. thanks.
 
njdiver20:
I got a question for you guys about trimix. My boyfriend is going to be taking the entry level and advanced trimix course. I have to say, I'm a little nervous with him taking this course. He is an experienced diver in many different conditions. What exactly does the trimix course allow him to do? And do you have any recommendations on dives he could do before diving the Doria for more practice? Any information would be great! Thanks!


pick your instructor wisely. as well as the agency. all agencies have their good intructors as well as bad. some you will have a better chance finding a good one. NAUI-Tec would be my choice, for reasons such as materials and the good instructor to poor instructor ratio seems most favorable.
 
njdiver20:
<snip>And do you have any recommendations on dives he could do before diving the Doria for more practice? Any information would be great! Thanks!
Here are some Wrecks that your BF might be looking at as Advanced Training/Practice for the Doria: http://www.ecophotoexplorers.com/shipgallery.asp
The traditional Northeast Wreck "warm-ups" for the Andrea Doria have been the Oregon and USS San Diego; other highly recommended ones are the USS Algol and the Stolt Dagali. For warm water, popular advanced Florida Wrecks include: the now-upright USS Spiegel Grove, the Hydro Atlantic, and for deep Trimix penetration dive training --USS Wilkes-Barre. Possible future all-encompassing Wreck Training Site might well be the aircraft carrier USS Oriskany, due to be sunk off Pensacola this year. . .http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=123768
 
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