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So many reasons why ppl think continuing education is useless.

There are a lot of DIY’ers and diving pioneers on SB, who look down on courses because they were able to figure everything out on their own. They should be proud of their skills but don’t realize they don’t represent everyone. Some of us need continuing education and are willing to pay for it.

Some who poo poo continuing education I think are just cheap.

There’s obviously a real world market for it...and we always come back to the point that SB is not representative of the real world (except as it relates to the Shearwater Perdix, because I’ve seen as many divers wearing this in the real world as the proportion of divers who praise or buy it on SB).
 
I was in your shoes few months ago. From my fresh experience i can tell you this:

AOW - you will get some practice and will try different type of dives. Basically these are simple dives in different environments. Course name is definitely misleading. After 5 additional dives you will still be fresh diver who has minimal skills to dive in nice and calm environment. From PADI perspective this "advanced diver course" sells better rather than "Level 2 course".

Nitrox - this is a good course as this certification gives you access to nitrox fills. However, basic nitrox is rather primitive and should be taught as a part of OW course. However, here PADI is able to generate additional revenue. Maybe in 90-ties nitrox was exotic and only technical divers were diving with nitrox, however, nowadays nitrox is very common (especially in liveabords).

Deep - skills that you will obtain are pretty primitive (e.g. to see how colors are changing in depth, how narcosis affects your body, how water crushes plastic bottle, to breath from reserve tank and simulate decompression stop). From another angle it is interesting to feel how your body reacts to deeper depth.

Wreck - this specialty gives you a small flavor of wreck diving, shows you how to do limited penetration to wreck. Quite interesting, however, this certificate will not make your real wreck diver :) For example, i would think twice before entering any wreck despite the fact that i have this c-card :)

At the end of this month i am planning to take Rescue and few other courses as i like to learn something during my vacation. If everything goes successfully at the end of my vacation i will be PADI Master Scuba Diver. However, word "master" is very misleading. In my opinion, when you get MSD certification you become a reasonable novice diver who starts to understand in which areas you need to improve and focus. I would say that boyouncy, balance, trim and propulsion techniques are the most important skills in diving. If you master these skills and feel natural in that areas, you will can become good cave, wreck and etc. diver. If you fail in that areas it is no worth to go deeper in diving studies. You can become a real MASTER in diving maybe after 500 dives when you dive in different environments, in differnt conditions, experience and manage various situations. Even then there could be unexpected things which can put you of of control (e.g. unexpected sting of lionfish during a dive and etc.). Propulsion, trim, boyouncy are being taught in GUE Fundies, TDI Intro to tech and similar courses. In my opinion OW courses should be much longer and include these skills. However, then course cost would be maybe double or triple and much less people would take them.

Wish you good luck in your courses. Have fun during diving and with every dive try to learn, get more experience, monitor you breathing rate and see whether you are improving or not. For example, i felt biggest improvements in my diving during liveaboard when i did not have instructor but dive guide only, when me and my wife-buddy understood that we are responsible for our decisions and we have to rely on our skills during deep dives, dives with strong current. Also, we got a very good experience how to put loose tank back into place, how to deploy DSMB (it looks very easy when you see how your instructor is doing..... but when you do it yourself you see what mistakes you are making and learning from them).
 
Nitrox - this is a good course as this certification gives you access to nitrox fills. However, basic nitrox is rather primitive and should be taught as a part of OW course. However, here PADI is able to generate additional revenue. Maybe in 90-ties nitrox was exotic and only technical divers were diving with nitrox, however, nowadays nitrox is very common (especially in liveabords).
Just as an FYI, it is possible with PADI to make nitrox a part of the OW course. It is a decision of the local shop whether that happens or not. In almost all courses you take, most of the money goes to the local shop. PADI only makes money from your classes from the sale of any course material (if any) and the cost of the certification card. In many specialty classes, there is no book involved, so the only money PADI makes is the cost of the card. It is possible to take the course for the learning and decline the card. In such cases, PADI would not even know you took the course.
 
Just as an FYI, it is possible with PADI to make nitrox a part of the OW course. It is a decision of the local shop whether that happens or not. In almost all courses you take, most of the money goes to the local shop. PADI only makes money from your classes from the sale of any course material (if any) and the cost of the certification card. In many specialty classes, there is no book involved, so the only money PADI makes is the cost of the card. It is possible to take the course for the learning and decline the card. In such cases, PADI would not even know you took the course.

@boulderjohn
I got separate PADI books for all specialties that i took. I understand that PADI earns money from the books as well as these specialties registration and card issuance. Also, to get a course (e.g. Nitrox or Deep) and not to get certification card is a bit nonsense. Unfortunately AOW, Nitrox and Deep diver cards are a must on many liveabords and it does not matter to them how experienced you are. If you can not show them these cards you will not get nitrox, will not be allowed to do some dives or even can be denied to get to liveabord.
 
@boulderjohn
I got separate PADI books for all specialties that i took. I understand that PADI earns money from the books as well as these specialties registration and card issuance. Also, to get a course (e.g. Nitrox or Deep) and not to get certification card is a bit nonsense. Unfortunately AOW, Nitrox and Deep diver cards are a must on many liveabords and it does not matter to them how experienced you are. If you can not show them these cards you will not get nitrox, will not be allowed to do some dives or even can be denied to get to liveabord.
It would be helpful for many readers if you clarified where these restrictions where common.

OW is generally all you need in the Caribbean.
 
Sounds like your Fish ID course was a good one. I in no way want my earlier comments to make fun of Fish ID. I enjoy fish ID myself but in my case the shop owner knew that I can identify over 80 local NC species and do some study and discussion with REEF.

At least for me Fish ID course would have a significant value as i am a newbie but i like fishes very much. Also, like to know what i saw. During liveaboard after every dive i was checking a book and writing down which fishes identified. For me diving near coral wall and observising fishes and sea creatures is much more interesting than wreck diving :)
 
It would be helpful for many readers if you clarified where these restrictions where common.

OW is generally all you need in the Caribbean.

When i was looking at liveaboards in Red Sea (Egypt) most of liveabords needed at least AOW and minimum of 50 dives experience. Also, in some cases was indicated that Deep certification is a must. For example during my liveabord our cards were thoroughly checked as wreck Numidia was laying on 34 m depth and this exceeded AOW limits.
 
I have been asked for a C card (at or above OW), a nitrox card, and a solo card at different times. Not sure if I have ever been asked for an AOW or not. I have used recent logged dives over 80 ft a few times. Think that was accepted in place of AOW or Deep. Local boat in NC does ask how long since last dive. I carry three cards when I travel; DM (PADI), Nitrox (SDI), and Solo (SDI).
 
Deep - skills that you will obtain are pretty primitive (e.g. to see how colors are changing in depth, how narcosis affects your body, how water crushes plastic bottle, to breath from reserve tank and simulate decompression stop). From another angle it is interesting to feel how your body reacts to deeper depth.


It should not be underestimated the apprehension many students feel on their first deep dive. I personally give them a mental puzzle underwater and time it, then get them to do it at the surface and compare times, they’re surprised. Also often they’re surprised at their gas consumption too. So while some of the skills do seem simple they do have a purpose - you’d be surprised how many people are uncomfortable taking their reg out underwater

We have a nice site at 40m and by the end of the dives the have more confidence, all achieved under the careful vigilance of an instructor. And like all con ed courses I teach I like to carry out a skills refresher too
 
It should not be underestimated the apprehension many students feel on their first deep dive. I personally give them a mental puzzle underwater and time it, then get them to do it at the surface and compare times, they’re surprised. Also often they’re surprised at their gas consumption too. So while some of the skills do seem simple they do have a purpose - you’d be surprised how many people are uncomfortable taking their reg out underwater

We have a nice site at 40m and by the end of the dives the have more confidence, all achieved under the careful vigilance of an instructor. And like all con ed courses I teach I like to carry out a skills refresher too

I was feeling really comfortable on the bottom at 40 m depth. Also, solved puzzle faster on the bottom comparing to surface :) However, there was a completely different feeling when diving in Red Sea at 35 m depth when you know that bottom is at >100 m depth. And there was no instructor who is closely watching you.
 

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