To T2T or not to T2T?

[Kevin Carlisle]

Tortuga has pointed out one big problem with this forum. How can you qualify to be here and NOT know a sidemount diver is NOT a DIR diver.

 

[ScubaFeenD]

I think the idea behind the forum was that people would feel free to discuss what they actually DO in the way of profiles and gases, if they didn't think they were providing a recipe for some untrained person to go and do the same dives. However, I think the membership consists of a lot of people who do things the same way, and a few people who do things VERY differently, and nobody seems interested in a real discussion of what they do or why. Down4fun's thread was a refreshing exception.

I know I was hoping to get different perspectives on tech diving. I know for certain that there is no way I can learn everything in classes, and there is no way I can be exposed to the breadth of information about diving I would like. So I signed up here to see what people do, why they do it, to possibly incorporate it into my diving and to do all of that without the worry of the TDS BS nastiness.

I think this forum should stay and hopefully more topics will come along in the future.

 

[Cave Diver]

How can you qualify to be here and NOT know a sidemount diver is NOT a DIR diver.

Pretty easily. Not everyone has the exposure to, or the interest in knowing what DIR is about.

 

[ScubaFeenD]

Pretty easily. Not everyone has the exposure to, or the interest in knowing what DIR is about.

Knowing what DIR is, is not necessary nor is it sufficient for tech diving (regardless of my personal beliefs )

 

[ucfdiver]

I have not seen many useful topics in here to be honest.

 

[ScubaFeenD]

I have not seen many useful topics in here to be honest.

Likely because many who come here think they know it all already and respond harshly to critique because it challenges some self validation of being "the best."

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

I think most experienced tech divers couldn't care less about "the best" nonsense ... they're just into doing their dives and frankly aren't that interested in what other folks are doing. Most of the dive reports I'm seeing in the Tech forums are from folks like me who are trying something new and wanting to talk about it.

Topics like deco theory are interesting ... but frankly if I want to learn something new, I'm unlikely to go to an internet forum for that information. I'm gonna take a class, or buy a book or talk to local tech divers who are doing the dives that interest me in the manner I'm interested in doing them.

This whole "best" business is more the domain of newer tech divers who feel like they have to prove something ... those who you'd most want to learn from aren't into spreading the gospel on the Internet ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[ScubaFeenD]

This whole "best" business is more the domain of newer tech divers who feel like they have to prove something ... those who you'd most want to learn from aren't into spreading the gospel on the Internet ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

I get that the internet, and its forums, aren't the end all of sources of information. But other than what is condoned by mainstream agencies, why is anything here less worthy than what some random guy teaches me? 50,000 dives or not, I am hard pressed to take any one persons word for it, even an experienced tech diver, unless they have oodles of evidence to support what they teach.

Down4fun highlighted some interesting ideas about deco in the thread regarding the Cayman dives, and Im not sure any instructor or experienced tech diver would have been able to offer the same advice. And even if there were a few out there that could highlight that information, what are my chances of ending up learning from them? Probably low.

I think a lot of experienced divers just dont give a rats patooty about talking to bunches of other divers. From what i can gather, most dont like to be questioned or put their thoughts out there to be shown as BS. Sadly, we also miss out from a lot of their wisdom as well as a result.

Of course, as usual, I could be wrong.

 

[ucfdiver]

Likely because many who come here think they know it all already and respond harshly to critique because it challenges some self validation of being "the best."

I'm not sure. There was a lot of that in the early days of TDS, and I learn from those threads. One thing that TDS had was a core of 30-40 guys who had experience in various places around the US with very strong opinions and a desire to debate. Some of the louder ones here are tech diving only a few times a year.

I suppose one major thing going against good discussion on here is txt messaging and facebook chat these days. I know I chat a lot with tech divers and get opinions on topics that 10 years ago I might have made a post about.

 

[cavemn]

Right, and look at all my posts

Quantity has nothing to do with quality