Tipping - how much and are we cheap

[shark.byte.usa]

$20 for 3 tank trip on Socal dive boat/ pp, is what I budget. Restraunts I pay 15-20% for good service, I've paid more for exemplary service so they know I recognized and appreciated it, also is incentive for it to continue, 0-10% for bad service.

 

[neophyte]

Once again I must say this... I don't tip, don't believe in the act and don't really care if others do... I just don't tip as a general rule... No matter the place or situation. People have their jobs and are expected to do them... It's why its called the "Service Industry"

If someone can not make ends meet without asking for a HANDOUT then I believe they need to find another carrer choice.

Speaking as someone who used to depend on tips for a significant portion of my living, I sincerely hope that you let those serving you know right at the very beginning that no matter what you won't be tipping.

They expect that the service they are providing will be compensated at the end of your transaction, and act accordingly. You, of course, are free not to tip, but understand that you are being disingenuous and ripping these people off by not letting them know beforehand that the situation is neither conventional nor as understood by most in the culture/society in question.

If you do let them know the situation, right at the very beginning, I apologize. Otherwise, it seems to me that you are the one asking for (actually, not asking for but simply conning your way into) a HANDOUT.

So there're my $.02,

Adam

 

[shark.byte.usa]

This is where you need to know about the local practices regarding tipping. In America, most "service industry" jobs are paid very little in the way of hourly wages. The owner of the establishment knows that his employees will get tips to offset the lower wages. So it is a far cry from a HANDOUT.

Here in AZ waiters and waitresses are paid $2.13/hr., my ex is/was one, sometimes she got paychecks for $0 after taxes and taxes on reported tip income, which she had to report at the end of every shift. I obviously pushed for bartending gigs [better hourly rate and tips] and eventually management [salary]. I agree it's not a handout, in alot of cases it is their pay.

 

[Packhorse]

Tipping is not done in New Zealand and I hope it never starts.
I just dont see the point in paying twice.

 

[duckster3d]

I usually tip up to $5 for a standard double tank per day.

WOW my heart be still.

"Jeeze thank you so much" i'm sure is what you hear. but it's what is said behind your back i'd like to hear.

I mate on a dive/fishing boat. I'd much rather take out a bunch of drunk fiser men that divers. on fishing trips tips for the boat average 300 - 400 depending on the catch. on a dive trip costing the divers the same amount tips average 80 to 140.

I had a couple onboard for two days of diving double tanks, two sets of doubles each each day. i helped load and unload their gear since the were an older couple, help get them in and out of the water, helped get there gear fixed, cliped on, and off handled scooters, and such at the end of two days I'm handed the tip i would have perfered it being put into the tip jar, because then I would never known how little of a tip they left me. I almost handed it back to her saying you must need this more than me. but kept my mouth shut.

These divers have very good jobs, making that magic 6 figure income. I hope they find another boat to dive off of, or that i'm not scheduled to mate on their next trip. they will have to handle all of their own gear on and off the boat if i am.

sorry about the rant.

 

[GlazierB]

Speaking as someone who used to depend on tips for a significant portion of my living, I sincerely hope that you let those serving you know right at the very beginning that no matter what you won't be tipping.

No I don't let them know... For that matter I've never heard someone say "I am going to be tipping at the end"

They expect that the service they are providing will be compensated at the end of your transaction, and act accordingly. You, of course, are free not to tip, but understand that you are being disingenuous and ripping these people off by not letting them know beforehand that the situation is neither conventional nor as understood by most in the culture/society in question.

"The expect that ..." You see I believe people should only EXPECT nothing. Nothing is sure in this world anymore. I am ripping off these people? Come on get real... It is their JOB! I don't take change out of their pockets.

You and your "letting them know beforehand" Jesus man... A Tip is a way of saying Thank You. So you saying that if they knew I wasn't going to tip that the said person could honestly slack off at his/her job? In the end he/she is PAID to do said job.

If you do let them know the situation, right at the very beginning, I apologize. Otherwise, it seems to me that you are the one asking for (actually, not asking for but simply conning your way into) a HANDOUT.

"Oh Hi! I am Byron and tonight Sir I won't be tipping you no matter what you do" Yes lets think now for a minute... Would my service be up to par? No because the person would be throwing a tantrum because my "Thank You" isn't enough. What can I only truely show Thanks with money?

Conning no? I just have a different belief when it comes to tipping.

And before the flood of flack about how people in 3rd world contries depend on my tips come... I don't travel outside of Canada. Don't really give a damn that somewhere in the world that someone is only making 3 rubies a day making a shirt... Doesn't effect me in my daily life.

 

[ReefHound]

Assuming, for the sake of the discussion, that things work out exactly as you say they will, why would this be preferable to the current system?

Because then the costs would be distributed equally among the customers, rather than tightwads being subsidized by the generous tippers. Also, you would see the full cost upfront and explicit.

Do you get much poor service in non tipped industries? You would punish poor service by taking your business elsewhere.

 

[GlazierB]

Here in AZ waiters and waitresses are paid $2.13/hr., my ex is/was one, sometimes she got paychecks for $0 after taxes and taxes on reported tip income, which she had to report at the end of every shift. I obviously pushed for bartending gigs [better hourly rate and tips] and eventually management [salary]. I agree it's not a handout, in alot of cases it is their pay.

Maybe in the US... Here in Canada we have a minimum wage... ANYONE here in BC, Canada CAN NOT make under $8.25hr.

 

[shark.byte.usa]

I like the classic Frasier episode where he puts the tip on the table at the beginning of service and subtracts from it as the chick screws up throughout the meal, making her watch, Always wanted to do that :rofl2:

 

[shark.byte.usa]

Maybe in the US... Here in Canada we have a minimum wage... ANYONE here in BC, Canada CAN NOT make under $8.25hr.

Different strokes for different folks

Excerpt from the US Fair Labor Standards Act.

"Tip Credit – Employers of “tipped employees” must pay a cash wage of at least $2.13 per hour if they claim a tip credit against their minimum wage obligation. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's cash wage of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the minimum hourly wage [$5.15], the employer must make up the difference. Certain other conditions must also be met."