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NetDoc once bubbled...
If you must argue or troll, please keep it to scuba related issues.

If the mods want all conversation to stay on scuba related issues, why is there a "non-diving related" forum?

There is a lot to be said and some interesting discussions to be had regarding the war, and the non-diving forum seems the ideal place for it.

I can understand removing offensive or inappropriate posts, but there's no reason to ban discussion of a major world event from a forum created for exactly this purpose.
 
jonnythan once bubbled...


If the mods want all conversation to stay on scuba related issues, why is there a "non-diving related" forum?

There is a lot to be said and some interesting discussions to be had regarding the war, and the non-diving forum seems the ideal place for it.

I can understand removing offensive or inappropriate posts, but there's no reason to ban discussion of a major world event from a forum created for exactly this purpose.

In case you havent noticed, almost all threads regarding the war and political views turn into a big pissing match and a few threads got pulled yesterday.There seems to be a few people who linger in the non scuba section for the sole purpose of causing BS.I agree with everyone else.....go talk war and politics somewhere else as it causes to much BS among scubaboard members.
 
It appears to me that only threads which are critical of the war are trashed. It is unfortunate that we cant discuss issues so very important to our world community. I appreciate that the US, UK, and Aussie troops are in harms way but just like in 1969 and another war there is a strong opposition to the war both in the US and outside. Isnt it a tenent of a democratic society that we can hold and express disenting views? There are a number of disturbing issues emerging from this conflict that need to be discussed. Journalism for example and the impact of "Embedding". Hopefully with respect for other peoples right to have those disenting opinions. the personal attacks have no place in a reasonable disscussion.

Is the scubaboard a place for this disscussion? .....if you have a section on non-diving issues the answer is Yes.

Cherry
 
Cherry once bubbled...
It appears to me that only threads which are critical of the war are trashed. It is unfortunate that we cant discuss issues so very important to our world community. I appreciate that the US, UK, and Aussie troops are in harms way but just like in 1969 and another war there is a strong opposition to the war both in the US and outside. Isnt it a tenent of a democratic society that we can hold and express disenting views? There are a number of disturbing issues emerging from this conflict that need to be discussed. Journalism for example and the impact of "Embedding". Hopefully with respect for other peoples right to have those disenting opinions. the personal attacks have no place in a reasonable disscussion.

Is the scubaboard a place for this disscussion? .....if you have a section on non-diving issues the answer is Yes.

Cherry

Scubaboard is not a democracy...do you recall voting for any of the moderators? Guess I didn't get that PM.

As far as "discussing", I wouldn't know because that has not been what is happening. Instead of constructive comments, we get thinly veiled barbs like "wanna buy a Canadian flag...you'll be safer with it". That's not an opinion...that's not a call to action. That is a not so oblique way of attacking a nation of people who have little to no control over the decisions of the Pentagon.

Cherry, you have now expressed your opinion on the war about 1001 times...we all get it...you don't like the war. You are entitled to your opinion, you have expressed your opinion, and I fail to see what repeating it incessantly to a group of people who OBVIOUSLY disagree with you is going to achieve.

Enough already...if you hate the US so much, don't visit, don't talk to Americans, and PLEASE, don't log into web servers maintained within our national borders...it could be your form of protest that we all could live with.
 
I'm starting to catch-on. I know, I'm a little slow and the trolls/sock puppets are not always obvious to me but here's my take.

Some people who shall remain nameless seem to be getting their jollies attempting to use inflamatory speech on various "non-diving" forums. Oh, they can clothe it in the guise of alternate opinions and open discussion and reasonable debate etc. It just strikes me as interesting that it is the same chorus of voices which is consistent in entering the "debate" with what now seems to me to be the sole purpose of baiting to the end of getting the threads pulled.

I think it is high time that the rest of us simply outright refuse to respond or be baited. We're bigger than that and it is more effective to leave the "crap" in place as an example of what is unworthy of being responded to.

I think some nameless people have confused the definitions of debate with rhetoric meant to garner an emotional response.

Not biting here.

Brian
 
bwerb once bubbled...
I think it is high time that the rest of us simply outright refuse to respond or be baited. We're bigger than that and it is more effective to leave the "crap" in place as an example of what is unworthy of being responded to.

Uh Huh...testify my brutha! Let the people hear ya!

Take that crap over to www.curling.com - those people probably dig on that kind of stuff. This board here is for diving...
 
Cherry once bubbled...
It appears to me that only threads which are critical of the war are trashed. It is unfortunate that we cant discuss issues so very important to our world community. I appreciate that the US, UK, and Aussie troops are in harms way but just like in 1969 and another war there is a strong opposition to the war both in the US and outside. Isnt it a tenent of a democratic society that we can hold and express disenting views? There are a number of disturbing issues emerging from this conflict that need to be discussed. Journalism for example and the impact of "Embedding". Hopefully with respect for other peoples right to have those disenting opinions. the personal attacks have no place in a reasonable disscussion.

Is the scubaboard a place for this disscussion? .....if you have a section on non-diving issues the answer is Yes.

Cherry

I respectfully disagree. A quick review of the open threads shows that there are no war-related threads that remain open. Most have been deleted and I suspect that the participants have been warned.

You can discuss world events to your heart's content. Just not here.

Similarly, you can hold and express dissenting views. Just not here.

Finally, you can discuss so-called disturbing issues. Just not here.

I suspect that there are probably thousands of sites where you can discuss politics and the war. I'm equally sure that there are thousands of others where you cannot. This is simply one of the latter.

Providing a Non-Diving Forum does not somehow create a free for all, in which any thread may be posted. The fact remains that this is a private, non-governmental board in which the owners can limit access and content in any way they deem fit. The moderators, acting as agents of the owners, can do the same.

In this case, the owners have elected to prohibit war-related threads. I suspect that this is because the constant fighting was not helping the board and did not fit in with their vision of the board as a place where people could discuss diving. Indeed, these arguments have diminished the Board as knowledgeable members avoid posting or leave the board.

It all boils down to this. Any members' right to freely express themselves on this board is subordinate to the owners' right to limit the expression.

People who disagree have three options.

1. Accept the restrictions and enjoy the scuba discussions.

2. Voluntarily leave.

3. Post offensive threads until the member is banned from posting and the threads are removed.

Finally, let me point out that this thread is alive and well because IT DOES NOT TAKE A POSITION ON THE WAR. So stop trying to turn it into one. Any questions, please select from options 1 or 2 above. If you want to proceed directly to option 3, please PM NetDoc, Spectre or another moderator for prompt processing.
 
And recognizing that this is a SCUBA board, maybe it would be just as well to suspend this "Non-Diving Related Stuff" forum for a while. It really seems to be causing more problem than it is worth right now.
 
awap once bubbled...
And recognizing that this is a SCUBA board, maybe it would be just as well to suspend this "Non-Diving Related Stuff" forum for a while. It really seems to be causing more problem than it is worth right now.

While its a tempting proposiiton, I really don't think that disabling the Non-Diving forum is the answer.

Non-Diving allows the members to share their other interests. Clive's baby, Dectek's tour of the USS New Jersey, Kjunheart's request for info on NYC and heck, even the Hottest male and female threads, were enjoyed by people.

Shutting down the forum strikes me as using a shotgun to kill a housefly. It works, but its overkill.

It strikes me as far more appropriate for the members to agree to live by the rules or go somewhere else.
 

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