The Swine Flu thing...

[pilot fish]

I didn't have to read them, I wrote them. You interpreted it to say:

I know you wrote them, and at one point must have read them, but you don't seem to comprehend what your words mean.

If you can't see the difference in those two statements, I can't help you. After this exchange, I totally understand why most people on this board discount everything you say. Your interpretation of everything you read is highly suspect,

This is the type of thing catty High School freshman girls might say.

therefore most of your arguments are baseless. I'm through with this, you just made one more in a long line of ignore lists.....

hey, fyter, that works for me:doh2:

 

[pilot fish]

I said, local Coz and Cancun dive ops have said, DISREGARD THE FLU HYPE AND HYSTERIA, not disregard the flu.

The CDC and other agencies have said, postpone any non essential trips to Mexico. I pay attention to that. Since you are ALREADY THERE the advice is different. Be well and stay healthy, Miguel

first of all i have not read any posts from any cozumel operators or staff say the words disregard you may interpret whatever you want, i am a cancun operator and want people to know not my facts or yours, but who facts, i really don't care for doctors that expose this or that about whatever, like in a trial both lawyer and public defender bring doctors to assure or deny cientifically. Nor do i care about the telegraph or whatever newspaper news media of any kind.
I obviously do not want to have our repeat clients that we depend on that a lot to come here and get infected and die, first of all i appreciate and care for them, second at our dive shop many families depend on them and i have witnessed on this board people like christi providing real information on hurricanes or storms, for people to postpone their trips, i have done the same, so we are not saying anything but keep informed, get real information and take desitions, that is it, no one has down played the situation at all, and no one has said disregard, i have posted official info, if it is your case that the telegraph or cnn or whatever news paper website blogs etc. You base your info on then that is your right and to share it as well, myself i prefer official information and i do not think the united nations would lie or tell people it is ok to travel or is it part of a huge international plot???
We dove all day today in cancun had awesome dives, our divers new and longtime clients are not shaking hands, we have a hand sanitizer available as well but there are people here, still 00 cases in this state and that is the truth, a lot may say whatever you want even i agree on how bad the mexican gvmt can be, but in this matters i don't think so.
If it is your choice not to come here then stay home well but there are many places now in the world with this, and from my limited knowledge from a surgeon and specialist on respiratory illnesses and part of the mexican health commitee, this illness does have a cure if attended on time, some have died because of complications with other illnesses.
Everyone has a right to their opinion and post here but don't you start getting confused on at least my posts that come from official information, that may be downplayed by you. I do not want my divers to get sick, but i want them to know the facts so they take wise desitions some people cannot take any other time off. I also know for a fact that us and christi would rather cancel a dive than put anyone at risk, because we depend on them to make a living. And now for you to know my personal opinion, this is being blown out of proportion, and like in diving if you follow guidelines you will be ok if you do not then you have a problem, unfortunately here some people follow guidelines from media news feeding frenzy than real official information.
The truth is i am here now, christi is in coz now and we are diving and we have not heard of a friend or a family member of a friend or anyone getting it, yes the federal govmt is taking actions and closing down places where there are big concentrations of people, and some cruises avoided cozumel, that is taking precautions.
Again dive operations on this forum are not using the words disregard no matter what you think. My recommendation to you, get certified, come diving after the flu, be well and be well informed.

 

[pilot fish]

I guess it comes down to this, whom are you going to listen to, CDC, WHO and other World Health Org, or local dive ops and staff? The advice, cautions and general information from World Health Org come from doctors and people trained in the medical field, that have NO vested interest, pro or con, in the advice provided and that know fully what a pandemic is, and is not. On the other hand we have local people from Coz and Cancum that are providing anecdotal info, that have NO medical training whatever and view the advice and directives from World Health Org as HYPE AND HYSTERIA. World Health Org have advised postponing any non essential travel to Mexico. Why do you suppose they are doing that? Your choice of who to listen to. Be well everyone.

BTW, does anyone think there is a correlation between the number of cases of swine flu in the USA and our border with the flu's epicenter, Mexico? " The World Health Organization said Friday that the number of confirmed cases stood at 367 worldwide, including 141 in the United States and 156 in Mexico. Thirteen countries have confirmed cases, the organization said. "

 

[pilot fish]

"The Mexican government asked the CDC to help facilitate laboratory testing of the virus during a conference call with Canada and the United States, he said. "We don't go anywhere unilaterally. We don't go into any state unless asked," Crafton said. "So if the state health department or the state health director or the government feels like their capacity is exceeded or they need us for our scientific expertise, they will ask us to come. The U.S. has also committed to giving Mexico 400,000 doses of the antiviral drug Tamiflu, a shipment believed to have arrived Friday morning, said Dr. Anne Schuchat, interim deputy director for science and public health at the CDC."

 

[dive pro]

TO PILOT FISH: ALTHOUGH I AM NOT A DOCTOR, A FAMILY MEMBER IS A DOCTOR, A SURGEON A SPECIALIST ON RESPIRATORY AND LUNG DISEASES AND PART OF THE MEXICAN HEALTH COMITEE, THAT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IN ANY CASE, WE ARE NOT GETTING THAT MANY CANCELATIONS ANYMORE, SOME OF THE ALREADY CANCELLED TRIPS, SHOWED UP SO PEOPLE ARE STILL COMING NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK OR SAY OR TWIST, AND AGAIN HERE IT GOES MAYBE YOU DO NOT READ THE LATEST INFORMATION THIS IS THE MAY 2ND REPORT FROM THE WORLD'S HEALTH ORGANIZATION PLEASE READ THE RED BOLD LETTERS I DO NOT SEE THERE ANYTHING RESTRICTING TRAVELING OR SUGGESTING NON TRAVELING, NOW AGAIN LIKE I SAID TO YOU BEFORE WE ARE NOT DOWN PLAYING ANYTHING, YOU SEEM TO GET IN ARGUMENTS A LOT AND YOU ARE NOT EVEN CERTIFIED, I AM NOT A PHYSICIAN BUT I AM A PARAMEDIC A SCUBA INSTRUCTOR WITH 3 AGENCIES WITH OVER 6000 DIVES, THIS BOARD IS OPEN TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO POST AND YOU POSTED A REAL LOT I GUESS WHILE YOU POST SO MUCH AND GET INTO ARGUMENTS WITH DIVERS I AM DIVING, I AM NOT GONNA PLAY GAMES WITH YOU, IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY STAY HOME, I JUST HOPE YOU NEVER HAVE ANY PROBLEM LIKE THIS AFFECT YOUR BUSINESS OR YOUR PLACE OF WORK......WHEN A HURRICANE CAME AND KILLED US WE TOLD PEOPLE TO LEAVE AND NOT TO COME WE ADVICE OUR DIVERS WELL SO DO NOT DARE TWIST ANYTHING AND LIKE SOMEONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD AND THREAD HAS TOLD YOU, YOU ARE JUST ONE MORE IN THE IGNORE LIST, YOU SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM I HOPE YOU ARE WELL, STAY HOME DO NOT EVER COME TO OUR COUNTRY, THERE ARE MANY OTHER ILLNESSES AROUND, THERE ARE NARC KILLINGS, THERE IS A VERY CORRUPT GVMT SO DO NOT COME.
THIS IS MY LAST POST ADDRESSING YOU I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU DID NOT ADDRESS ME ANYMORE.....AND STOP TWISTING THINGS.
I DON'T GET YOU, YOU STATE THAT THE WHO SAID NO TRAVELING AND WHO WWW.WHO.INT SAYS A COMPLETE DIFFERENT THING ON TODAY'S AND YESTERDAYS REPORT SO I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK OF YOU AT THIS POINT YOU QUOTE THE WHO BUT HERE IS THE PAGE, LINK AND EVEN THE WHO UPDATE 10 FROM YESTERDAY AND MY FOLLOWING POST WILL HAVE THE LATEST WHO UPDATE FOR TODAY.
HOW DO YOU KNOW SCUBA OPERATORS ARE NOT DOCTORS WHEN YOU ARE NOT EVEN A DIVER, I KNOW A FEW DOCTORS THAT HAVE INVESTED IN SCUBA OPERATIONS AND ONE OF THEM IS A DOCTOR AND OWNS A DIVE SHOP SO STOP ASSUMING THINGS, AND LIKE I SAID NO MORE ADDRESSING BETWEEN US, I REALLY DON'T EVEN THINK YOU MAKE SENSE, ALTHOUGH I WISH YOU WELL, HAVE A GREAT LIFE, AND I REALLY RECOMMEND GETTING SCUBA CERTIFICATION.

printable version

Influenza A(H1N1) - update 10
2 May 2009 -- The situation continues to evolve. As of 18:00 GMT+1, 2 May 2009, 16 countries have officially reported 658 cases of influenza A(H1N1) infection.

Mexico has reported 397 confirmed human cases of infection, including 16 deaths. The higher number of cases from Mexico in the past 48 hours reflects ongoing testing of previously collected specimens. The United States Government has reported 160 laboratory confirmed human cases, including one death.

The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (51), China, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (1), Costa Rica (1), Denmark (1), France (2), Germany (6), Israel (3), Netherlands (1), New Zealand (4), Republic of Korea (1), Spain (13), Switzerland (1) and the United Kingdom (15).

Further information on the situation will be available on the WHO website on a regular basis.

WHO advises no restriction of regular travel or closure of borders. It is considered prudent for people who are ill to delay international travel and for people developing symptoms following international travel to seek medical attention, in line with guidance from national authorities.

There is also no risk of infection from this virus from consumption of well-cooked pork and pork products. Individuals are advised to wash hands thoroughly with soap and water on a regular basis and should seek medical attention if they develop any symptoms of influenza-like illness.

Related links
Influenza A(H1N1) web site

 

[dive pro]

TODAY'S MAY 3RD WORLD HEALTH ORG REPORT FOR EVERYONE:

Influenza A(H1N1) - update 11
3 May 2009 -- As of 0600 GMT, 3 May 2009, 17 countries have officially reported 787 cases of influenza A(H1N1) infection.

Mexico has reported 506 confirmed human cases of infection, including 19 deaths. The higher number of cases from Mexico in the past 48 hours reflects ongoing testing of previously collected specimens. The United States Government has reported 160 laboratory confirmed human cases, including one death.

The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (70), China, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (1), Costa Rica (1), Denmark (1), France (2), Germany (6), Ireland (1), Israel (3), Netherlands (1), New Zealand (4), Republic of Korea (1), Spain (13), Switzerland (1) and the United Kingdom (15).

Further information on the situation will be available on the WHO website on a regular basis.

WHO advises no restriction of regular travel or closure of borders. It is considered prudent for people who are ill to delay international travel and for people developing symptoms following international travel to seek medical attention, in line with guidance from national authorities.

Canada on 2 May reported the identification of the A(H1N1) virus in a swine herd in Alberta. It is highly probable that the pigs were exposed to the virus from a Canadian farm worker recently returned from Mexico, who had exhibited flu-like symptoms and had contact with the pigs. There is no indication of virus adaptation through transfer from human to pigs at this time.

There is no risk of infection from this virus from consumption of well-cooked pork and pork products.

Individuals are advised to wash hands thoroughly with soap and water on a regular basis and should seek medical attention if they develop any symptoms of influenza-like illness.

Related links
Influenza A(H1N1) web site

 

[dive pro]

To be fair, the cdc center did issue a report saying avoid non essential travel to mexico, this was the 30th of april, but on their webpage they also state to follow all reports and updates from the world health organization from the united nations, those updates are the ones i have posted on this board, we down here are still working, like i posted before, we have hand sanitizer, the ocean does not trasnsmit it, we still have 00 cases and there is no huge panic here, arqueological zones and theme parks have been closed due to the gathering of so many people, so if you come to cancun to vacation and see the sights, do not come, if you are a diver i am not going to give you any advice, just follow your own desitions but be well informed.
And by the way a Respiratory,lung Doctor confirms and says this virus has less lifetime in this hot areas......IF IT REMOTELY CAME HERE AND IT HAS NOT.
I refuse to post all the news papers from Mexico and this city stating 000 casis( in the state of Quintana Roo, Yucantan and Campeche, the tri state Yucatan Peninsula), because I also refuse to base my info on CNN or BBC or any other international news agency.

 

[CRC]

Check the discussion section on Cozumel My Cozumel: A Reliable Travel Resource - there is ongoing dscussion on a couple of threads concerning what's open and what's not. Sounds like mostly cruise ship oriented businesses are affected right now.

Enjoy your trip. It should be a great time to be down there!

 

[pilot fish]

Miguel, here is some up to date info you might find helpful. Please get the latest facts before you post.


Travel Health Warning
Travel Warning: H1N1 Flu (Swine Flu) and Severe Cases of Respiratory Illness in Mexico Avoid Nonessential Travel to Mexico
This information is current as of today, May 03, 2009 at 11:39 EDT
Updated: April 30, 2009

Revised to link to updated antiviral recommendations for travelers

Current Situation
As of April 28, 2009, the Government of Mexico has reported 26 confirmed human cases of H1N1 flu (swine flu), including seven deaths. Investigation is continuing to clarify the spread and severity of the disease in Mexico. The World Health Organization (WHO), the Global Alert and Response Network (GOARN), and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have sent experts to Mexico to work with health authorities. CDC has confirmed that seven of 14 respiratory specimens sent to CDC by the Mexican National Influenza Center are positive for influenza A (H1N1) and are similar to the swine influenza viruses recently identified in the United States.

On April 25, the WHO Director-General declared this event a Public Health Emergency of International Concern under the rules of the International Health Regulations. CDC and state public and animal health authorities are currently investigating the outbreak in the United States. Click here to see todayÃÔ case count. Some of the U.S. cases have been linked to travel to Mexico. CDC is concerned that continued travel by U.S. travelers to Mexico presents a serious risk for their health and the health of others during travel and after they return to the United States.

CDC Recommendations
At this time, CDC recommends that U.S. travelers avoid all nonessential travel to Mexico. Changes to this recommendation will be posted at Travelers' Health | CDC. Please check this site frequently for updates.

Side Note = To be fair, I fully realize that Cancun and Coz are not exactly the information centers of the World and that you guys are a little removed from the "Information highway". I also wanted to add that all of us that advise extra caution and that take this flu thing more seriously, realize none of you mean any harm to anyone. We just think that some of your financial consideration might be clouding your better judgement.

To be fair, the cdc center did issue a report saying avoid non essential travel to mexico, this was the 30th of april, but on their webpage they also state to follow all reports and updates from the world health organization from the united nations, those updates are the ones i have posted on this board, we down here are still working, like i posted before, we have hand sanitizer, the ocean does not trasnsmit it, we still have 00 cases and there is no huge panic here, arqueological zones and theme parks have been closed due to the gathering of so many people, so if you come to cancun to vacation and see the sights, do not come, if you are a diver i am not going to give you any advice, just follow your own desitions but be well informed.

 

[mobeeno]

Jawfish is not being sarcastic.
I just got back from diving Cozumel and as a diver it was great because the boats I was on was quieter than usual and can request pretty much where I would like to dive. Wish I am there now.