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[Genesis]

A real dummy can survive getting gear from a LDS and diving it. If you take the LDS out of it you have to replace it with something. Whether you get some one else to do it or you just get smarter yourself something has to be done. However if a diver stays a dummy and jus gets their stuff from LP they're missing the boat.

That is not necessarily true.

I've seen a very high percentage of dummies in LDSs.

Folks who are too dumb to use a calculator, as an example. What are the odds they understand a negative pressure test?

 

[MikeFerrara]

So Mike, how do you assemble a brand new reg out of the box incorrectly?

How does "Some assembly required" void any warranty?

Would a reasonable jury member conclude that anyone without the proper "factory" training not be able to screw in a hose? and check an IP???

No but the industry (right or wrong) has decided that they can't adjust the IP or even get the book that tells you what it should be. LOL

Lemme guess, there's more rocket science to it than that? Right?

No it's very simple but the manufacturers don't want to tell any one how. Getting the service manual is way harder than rebuilding the reg.

hehehheh

Sure there is.....and then the cat was out of the bag how simple it all is.

The cat has been out of the bag for years. Almost nobody that I dive with pays retail for a reg or pays any one else to service it for them. It's always been that way with more experienced divers.

Some people still need help though. Those are the folks with the problem. The people who buy from LP and then don't like the way the LDS treats them when they go in there with a problem and come here to complain about the LDS. They only solved part of the problem by buying from LP.

Right or wrong the system is what it is and just shoping at LP doesn't completely address it.

 

[DeepScuba]

I agree totally Mike!

For those that require "help" from their LDS, they'd better be prepared to pay for it.

I'd suggest learning myself. It's ultimately cheaper and more fulfilling.

I guess I can accept that someone MIGHT be too stupid to do a reg overhaul themselves.

But that's one dumb-a$$ individual. And he's gotta be 1 in a million.

I'm still working on getting my wife to diassemble and re-assemble my Mk2, just to see how a "regular joe-ette" would tackle it. (Joe-ette meaning someone who has zero mechanical aptitude).

She's hilarious to watch when screwing in light bulbs, "fixing/building" those IKEA snap together furniture etc.

 

[MikeFerrara]

That is not necessarily true.

I've seen a very high percentage of dummies in LDSs.

Folks who are too dumb to use a calculator, as an example. What are the odds they understand a negative pressure test?

I agree. But...if all you do is buy from LP and get rid of the dummy at the shop and don't replace them with something you didn't solve the problem.

You buy from LP. You also have the service manual, tools and a compressor.

Me too.

 

[Genesis]

True.....

I kinda figure that since if it craps out underwater its my butt, I'd prefer to know that its right before splashing.

There's only one way I can satisfy myself of that fact - and that is by doing it myself.

 

[MikeFerrara]

I agree totally Mike!

For those that require "help" from their LDS, they'd better be prepared to pay for it.

I'd suggest learning myself. It's ultimately cheaper and more fulfilling.

But some won't and they need a dives shop...or something.

I guess I can accept that someone MIGHT be too stupid to do a reg overhaul themselves.

But that's one dumb-a$$ individual. And he's gotta be 1 in a million.

It's way worse than that. Not only are they too stupid to rebuild one. They'r'e too stupid to know that they've been given a line and have been manipulated into believing there's a reason that they shouldn't try.

LP is just taking advantage and making money but it isn't a total solution for the average diver.

I'm still working on getting my wife to diassemble and re-assemble my Mk2, just to see how a "regular joe-ette" would tackle it. (Joe-ette meaning someone who has zero mechanical aptitude).

She's hilarious to watch when screwing in light bulbs, "fixing/building" those IKEA snap together furniture etc.

Heck, I don't have time to rebuild regs. My wife usually does all of ours.

 

[DeepScuba]

Maybe she's more mechanical than you are

heheh

And you trust her???

Hmmmm, what's the Life insurance worth these days?

 

[MikeFerrara]

Maybe she's more mechanical than you are

heheh

And you trust her???

Hmmmm, what's the Life insurance worth these days?

She does the cooking why not the regs. LOL

She wouldn't take the chance of ruining a good dive by screwing up my regs.

 

[Genesis]

You buy from LP. You also have the service manual, tools and a compressor.
Me too.

Well, I have some service manuals, including Harlow's book. I also understand how the stuff works - physics isn't tough for me, and I've been playing with high-pressure systems (fuel, gas, etc) for a long time. They don't scare me, but I do respect the issues.

I DID buy the tools (those are available to anyone with money) and a compressor (ditto), and not only do I fill my own Nitrox, including deco bottles, I haven't blown myself up yet

 

[OneBrightGator]

I was just trying to point out the contradictory issue here; maybe I didn’t do a very good job explaining it. I’ll try again; it’s kind of like having your cake and eating it to. Like Ford with the Pinto, the fact that someone had to hit you from behind didn’t really matter because the design of the car was such that it would explode…

Not really, the problem with the Pinto was a proven design flaw Ford chose to accept (in fact they did a study and it would have cost more to fix the problem then settle the resulting lawsuits and deaths) there's nothing inherently wrong with SP or Apeks regs, something or someone has to break them, not either manufacturers' choice.

Ben