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"When you buy Aqua Lung life support products from your authorized dealer you are buying from trained proffesionals who can instruct you on the proper and safe use of your equipment."


Is this like being "Trail Rated" if you're a Jeep?


Even better...it sounds as if they have to tell me HOW to use THIER equipment! Lets see...proper and safe use of fins, wetsuit, weight belt, BC, regulator, mask and snorkel. How does that differ from other manufacturers...they would sell me fins, wetsuit, weight belt, BC, regulator, mask and snorkel also! Wouldn't really instruct me in the proper and safe use of their brand since I already have a certification.

Suppose I will just stick with LP.
 
The biggest problem I have with my LDS is that they only sell two brands of equipment(ScubaPro and Sherwood). So if I talk to them the best thing out there is one of these two products. IMHO I can probably do a better job of determining what I need myself. That opinion would be based on hours of internet research, including this forum, and discussions with fellow divers. Why do I want to spend a lot of extra money purchasing the product from shops that are biased to a particular manufacturer. As far as warranty goes the only difference that I can see between the LDS and LP is that I need to ship my equipment back to LP and wait a little longer. BUT if I've done my research well the equipment should be reliable and not require much warranty work.
 
Iguana Don:
If Leisure Pro is not authorized to sell "Brand X" equipment, then how do they or any other dealer that is not authorized buy it to sell to the public.

Could some of you industry insiders help me out on this?

ID
Well from what I have read LP can get gear two ways. 1) If you own a dive shop and do not carry a specific brand of gear and you have a good line of credit you do the following. Setup a $50,000 purchase from a manufacture you do not carry in your store and when your order comes in you change the mailing labels and send it to Lp in NYNY and they send you a check for $55,000. So you made $5,ooo in a very short time. Do that five times a year and you made $25,000 and only had to reship the stuff. As for the shipping $ I am not sure who's pocket that comes out of. But hey $25,000 a year OR till they catch you ,and they will ,run with it. As for #2 folks say this stuff comes out of Europe and the tax thing is different or something like that and then you always here the word gray market. So who really knows? LP
 
.......this is an old tread. I guess anything that can save money or can threaten another's livelyhood some how stays alive?

SterlingDiver
 
Two observations, both my opinions... I have no inside knowledge of LP or their acqusition methodology, but I have to assume from the products that I have purchased and their condition, that they must have access to the Mfgs. Everything I have purchased from them has been brand new, usually verifiably unopened (original tape), and in perfect order. This includes pretty much every piece of gear that I have not ebay'd, traded for, or purchased from friends/co-divers. Everyone I know that has purchased from them received new products (small statistical sample, to be sure...)

There can't be that many dive stores going out of business or flow of unauthorized grey market stuff, and think for a minute about the RIAA legal tactics on MP3 trading. How much detective work would it be to order 20 pieces in single batches and test serial numbers (all my products, to date, have had them intact.) The entire process would take a week, and the mfg could put the hammer to the offending store(s). One or two instances would put the fear of God into the owners, and the process would come to a shocking halt (or at least a screeching grind). It happens all the time in the luxury market, ie. Rolex, Omega, et. al. I am by no means an insider, but to my knowledge, Scubapro nor Atomic nor Apeks/Seaquest has tried it, at least according to friends in the industry. Just seems too easy if they were really serious about stopping unofficial sales.

Something just doesn't add up. Or, I don't know, perhaps it does. Met a corp. exec. at a outing last March, who works for a large home products mfg. Largest customer was Walmart, who described when the evil empire decided to branch into store labels on many of this mfgs products. Walmart spun the screws saying basically, re-skin your products or we will find another mfg. Tough decision for them. I wonder if some of the mfgs need to move additional product enough to dance with their equivalent of Satan? <shrug> It just doesn't add up; and the LDS does get screwed in the bargan. They can't lower their prices to compete, in most cases, anywhere near LP, the European shops, even the ebay shops. And, most don't turn inventory quickly enough to make large profits on quantities. And, ask Toys-R-Us or FAO Schwarz what Walmart, Target and the Internet has done to their high margin business models... Tough situation.

BTW, been to LP once. Strange location in NY but doesn't appear much different than most. Nobody wearing pointy horns or walking on cloven hooves...

I don't think either LP or the LDSs are innocents in the trade, but best evidence points a different direction? Any comments from the mfg side?

jwh

BTW, I work for a large mfg with a lot of similar problems. We spend incredible resources ferreting out counterfeit or modified products...
 
All said, LP is not an authorized dealer of probably most brands. At the same time they stand behind the products they sell. From time to time I get to be in NYC and go into their "store". Last time I went in with a light i bought there over a year ago and was flooded during one of my dives. They replaced it on the spot. Didn't even ask to see a receipt. That is good service. No doubt.

I also bought there a reg (SP MK25 + S600 + S380), computer (Vyper), BCD (TPII + wing), lights, fins (Biofin), a hooded vest, etc. It is the only palce I go these days for my more expensive shopping.

Ari
 
Geeze, this thread is almost 3 years old!!
(I've got stuff in my frige older than that though)

Just a comment on the counterfit BC post a ways back in the thread; an OEM manufacturer was at fault for turning out the bogus merchandise.
If I recall the story correctly, said mfgr had at one time made the BCs for ScubaPro but had lost the contract.
Someone chime in here if my memory is doing the CRS thing, eh?
 
I was wondering how LP got a fake SP BC from a GOOB LDS. What's CRS?
 
evad:
I was wondering how LP got a fake SP BC from a GOOB LDS. What's CRS?

CRS: Can't Remember S**t
 
Bob3:
Geeze, this thread is almost 3 years old!!
(I've got stuff in my frige older than that though)

Just a comment on the counterfit BC post a ways back in the thread; an OEM manufacturer was at fault for turning out the bogus merchandise.
If I recall the story correctly, said mfgr had at one time made the BCs for ScubaPro but had lost the contract.
Someone chime in here if my memory is doing the CRS thing, eh?

Correct. The OEM had made the BCs for SP, lost the contract, and was still cranking them out and selling them. LP bought some and, apparently, was duped. They DID have all appearances of being the "genuine article", including logos, unless you knew EXACTLY what to look for (since the model had changed with the change in manufacturers.)
 

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